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There is a photo by John Woolley taken in August 1980 on Flickr of 45121 in this "two white stripe" livery.

 

Possibly a case of right livery, wrong loco number?

 

Oh yeah - there are a fair few photos of 121 in this livery! Thanks for the info.

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The masterclass in Model Rail No 26 comments that 45114 "received a white roof and red bufferbeams in September 1979 but these lasted less than a month. They had more success with Nos. 45110 and 45121 which received two white stripes on each bodyside at the end of 1979....Both locos returned to plain blue during overhauls in 1980-81." Then in the livery graphics they show 45114 exactly as Bachmann have modelled it. So it looks like it is correct but only for a few weeks.

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A bit more digging - Dec 1979 Railway World comments " A number of Class 45s have been reported with grey roof treatment and 45.114 also has red buffer beams and a white side stripe."

 

Thanks for all the info - I must admit to really liking the livery - so much so that I've taken an executive decision and applied it to my rendition of Class 46 (D)177 - the only way I can justify this decision is that class 46s and not 45/1s were visitors to the North East corner of Scotland where our railway is based!

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From all the shots of 45110 that I've found with the two white stripes it has a blue roof but also has the sealed beam headlights and the small triangular bodyside grille plated.. 

45114 and 45121 also I can only find with a blue roof  but at least these still had the Domino headcodes at this time. The only issue is that they also both have the small triangular bodyside grille whereas on the Bachamnn model they are plated.

 

Does anyone do this small grille as an etch on its own? otherwise its means sacrificing one of the older peak bodies bodies for the part  or better yet finding a cheap GBL model may be a cheaper option.

 

Cheers Trailrage

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45 013 was embelished with white stripe at cant rail height and white grille surrounds, I took this photo on 21st November 1984 as she approached Manchester Victoria

 

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Geoff

 

Was steam heated by 013 from Lime St to St Helens J in early 84, when it was powering a Trans Pennine service. Probably the last steam heating I sampled on the real railway.

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Just realised I didn't add any links!

 

45110 - Bodyside stripes no grey roof.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/10089395206/in/photolist-gnyMFL-dmhEZv-8fLtn5-mxn1AA-dU5VFe-bD6Zgh-bT6Cvt-rAPuMn-dmhJJu-e4Mk7X-SVC892-e8ECdo-8EMZiP-Bfg5vv-ZSrPCp-dSc8Dr-gefPab-6439S3-9vcACP-dmhF8e-63XSFH-5ZWp36-a5SQE7-9vfB2f-pTXwop-dHwz6u-RPQ6Rm-81PjzL-hvZ9tS-newwEA-cfsowU-cQh5b7-fi7Gb6-9Wc9L3-dVebEW-fiorsV-9w7tuQ-ivTq32-fGkmRA-bS1HYM-fdzpWg-9MuBG1-dGQtY7-611BDL-bFQt76-c4Umth-baQGte-ag3Aym-hZg6tF-fwddYn

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/httpwwwpeakdaleworkscom/5713501803/in/photolist-DN294q-a9uC8Y-DHdiPi-hZg6tF-oQaMAQ-aj7M9q-J7BQG7-fwddYn-k1vXRn-fiAoDL-pRSo4g-dntUQ8-pDh9iT-B5QSz9-dqbSzc-dV6jtG-mqaAH-oXny8e-fAyrp3-ecBNf7-eMWfif-9GTc2M-fio6gb-mMCtoQ-hZfY77-9MuBjW-e2ReGn-bxR9Q8-cEG9h9-qGKKBe-j24Kjo-cvjNWq-bD72Pd-gpGxdj-oE2KbU-pJUj2a-Wad8Fo-9DxPJM-fz1VYd-hZgoDG-qhfhTa-kfRHFq-nf9XuC-4yuPfa-9Nw2yC-nJ8Df3-86TQss-bo97dT-qAbrj8-pURyuN

 

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 45114 - with the grey roof but no bodyside stripes.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21949497093/in/photolist-zrAUM4-ad8tdp-9MKhYB-8E2mz2-92Dk2q-nyHS7D-dU5Hna-dQYYxs-9D92y7-qLQprp-fUsQc1-JiF7wR-9FEJE6-pVXrfX-kKw9W-c9dbsC-nQr85N-duDEbW-99LCe-gWe2Yc-hF8MMv-DTUMPm-nCXA49-iPmkGy-ctJkUm-b9whhz-ZvE4XQ-rACVrp-XwPKHb-dneEVp-o4ecx2-hWpkP6-pvD84e-hqrZ3F-o2Sjt4-UB9wWs-og9X6W-b7SebF-VpzmiU-VffzBu-aoXWue-FUp5Q6-hdqE8t-dD6UD6-J8y2TM-e6WYQF-LQZiVX-VhdB4i-hxhH6V-9D8taJ

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/7312832944/in/photolist-c9dbsC-nQr85N-duDEbW-99LCe-gWe2Yc-hF8MMv-DTUMPm-nCXA49-iPmkGy-ctJkUm-b9whhz-ZvE4XQ-rACVrp-XwPKHb-dneEVp-o4ecx2-hWpkP6-pvD84e-hqrZ3F-o2Sjt4-UB9wWs-og9X6W-b7SebF-VpzmiU-VffzBu-aoXWue-FUp5Q6-hdqE8t-dD6UD6-J8y2TM-e6WYQF-LQZiVX-VhdB4i-hxhH6V-9D8taJ-agfvxZ-dwcyYQ-uPhT8u-oEVLjc-qJ1ydQ-c34LS1-pZZPcE-nxRF69-m6Pf4c-kcxuMJ-arQvw6-Cx5FpT-WGah9V-Cx5M9i-8KaRc1

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/adogriff/5708424116/in/photolist-9GraBs-fMYU9q-dN1CAf-j8pSTN-kPnfGV-6Zn8Ew-89iFjX-aEQV4f-b7vdVZ-zuTbar-pztfhf-9TMC5T-JBBYcA-dWcomx-ayejBb-cwS2sb-TE8DTg-STTzpF-6AX1Vz-nD9hqM-mzG7ja-8ZP1oH-bKHsuv-z9z4m4-TLK8At-EQoTn7-9ny73Z-uGpfyv-B7wm2r-3jaCNQ-W79Dn5-rrbMQY-j5W2ok-obrAL4-9mDUCX-CQ3Ek4-DqAHec-dP8GPQ-pkpqoX-JBC1o9-b85VeD-nApdtb-yWAhZN-8TaRfC-GZrdQr-JjYxrh-92xJjY-j4ShMt-8tWQTG-dPvj1Q

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/samrail/7058265717/in/photolist-bKHsuv-CQ3Ek4-DqAHec-z9z4m4-dP8GPQ-pkpqoX-TLK8At-nApdtb-b85VeD-yWAhZN-JBC1o9-8TaRfC-EQoTn7-9ny73Z-GZrdQr-JjYxrh-j4ShMt-92xJjY-8tWQTG-dPvj1Q-akz7yD-qL4MDF-dUgoTx-rgVRtD-bjQXgi-bKVZVK-nr5xX8-zkGT7n-7pertj-dcryXz-dLd7SE-qbZZzv-Vz9UHm-6KBmBP-pp9Jh4-8E5vh1-ewWMPP-HeiGj1-pKRhVf-8uRkpS-akQvtg-A8h2Nj-8uNgg2-gXC7bb-dvRkch-Qn6noe-bdnjda-9F8NJS-ksUx7m-fgTJht

 

45121 - Bodyside stripes but no grey roof.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5083053599/in/photolist-8KaYKa-sxmHv3-mHncpP-qPSpuE-pgiepS-UMEM1u-VnUPUi-byLuwz-bq4X4d-h5zBnt-VnUP5n-bq4rx1-FomtXN-ZHrqJH-ijjjuj-cpJpXG-ej9c4u-mQCXAU-9N15Sq-9RC3e1-TEAp5Q-dtDtZ-jGvMRd-dyoTXi-21QvCsE-kjWCWk-feyv74-nQwaY5-dNg2pq-WL1ScC-nYXPBH-dxzP4S-pUWeoN-dvH7EK-dSycN1-iPhs7K-9vUhY7-c92vb5-8hoqG5-dvNHNE-cSKfzo-6LrXv9-dsdCuL-Tf5433-rBizQx-ncrYf2-dWUb36-amdKss-Vc1AHU-qhF9zN

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/pics-by-john/8242876323/in/photolist-dyoTXi-21QvCsE-kjWCWk-feyv74-nQwaY5-dNg2pq-WL1ScC-nYXPBH-dxzP4S-pUWeoN-dvH7EK-dSycN1-iPhs7K-9vUhY7-c92vb5-8hoqG5-dvNHNE-cSKfzo-6LrXv9-dsdCuL-Tf5433-rBizQx-ncrYf2-dWUb36-amdKss-Vc1AHU-qhF9zN-pMnTvH-kJ7PN2-7rhtPc-nkqTPg-buaHer-BWGvY8-8gjGuo-rELAzM-9vUhPy-FcydJW-fBMq2w-SomV3Y-GFKkv2-fBMi23-aoie4w-21JEkp4-gHrrFZ-fdvf4b-8geGE8-oRG6YS-FKpjLx-8gjGx5-axtsGm

 

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Cheers Trailrage

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All of this may explain why the model sold quite badly, it was on offer from Hattons for months at something daft like £39. I bought one intending to use the chassis for something else, and suspect I wasn't alone!

 

John.

Yep reckon your right. I bought two of these myself so I could strip one of the bodies to do a model of 46026 bu silly me forgot the that it needs the small triangular grille and of course has different battery box covers!

Nevermind looks like there both gonna be stripped down then

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I have just bought this loco off ebay for a relative bargain.  It is DCC fitted and has directional and cab lighting. The livery fits slap bang into the era of my layout, but.... I am pretty sure that it is going to grate on me. 

I started using an airbrush earlier this year and results so far are 'mixed'. In fairness, I have only tried weathering with the airbrush - for primer and Rail Blue coats I am comfortable with rattle cans.

I was interested to read that the white roof on the real thing lasted only a month. Is it reasonable to assume that just the roof was painted over at this time or was it standard practice to repaint the whole loco?

I am already thinking about painting the roof on the model  blue. Any colour match discrepancies with the body could be explained away by the impromptu repaint.

I am guessing that I would still need to prime the roof even though the factory finish is white? As per the rest of the stock on my layout, it's going to be quite heavily weathered, so a showroom finish is not a priority. 

Has anyone else done a similar job on one of these models?

Thanks 

 

 

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15 hours ago, 9C85 said:

I have just bought this loco off ebay for a relative bargain.  It is DCC fitted and has directional and cab lighting. The livery fits slap bang into the era of my layout, but.... I am pretty sure that it is going to grate on me. 

I started using an airbrush earlier this year and results so far are 'mixed'. In fairness, I have only tried weathering with the airbrush - for primer and Rail Blue coats I am comfortable with rattle cans.

I was interested to read that the white roof on the real thing lasted only a month. Is it reasonable to assume that just the roof was painted over at this time or was it standard practice to repaint the whole loco?

I am already thinking about painting the roof on the model  blue. Any colour match discrepancies with the body could be explained away by the impromptu repaint.

I am guessing that I would still need to prime the roof even though the factory finish is white? As per the rest of the stock on my layout, it's going to be quite heavily weathered, so a showroom finish is not a priority. 

Has anyone else done a similar job on one of these models?

Thanks 

 

 

So the plan is what exactly - just paint the roof railblue and keep everything else "as is"?

 

If so you could do a mid grey coat on the roof as an interim, but probably not really necessary, the blue will cover the white quite easily. I'd take the body off and wash the roof with a gentle scrub of kitchen cleaner like Cif/ Jif for adhesion before doing anything, allow to dry. Then mask up, spray the roof blue and when cured after a few days do your weathering.

 

If the plan is to re-spray the whole thing, then I'd suggest you lightly sand away all the tampo printing otherwise it will show through, then when painted do your own transfers.

 

John.

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6 minutes ago, John Tomlinson said:

So the plan is what exactly - just paint the roof railblue and keep everything else "as is"?

 

If so you could do a mid grey coat on the roof as an interim, but probably not really necessary, the blue will cover the white quite easily. I'd take the body off and wash the roof with a gentle scrub of kitchen cleaner like Cif/ Jif for adhesion before doing anything, allow to dry. Then mask up, spray the roof blue and when cured after a few days do your weathering.

 

If the plan is to re-spray the whole thing, then I'd suggest you lightly sand away all the tampo printing otherwise it will show through, then when painted do your own transfers.

 

John.

 

Thanks so much for the advice. 

I am thinking of just doing the roof as you described it.

I can probably live with the white stripes, but if the roof comes out a close match to the body, I might try the same approach on the stripes.

Thanks again 

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I bought a 45114 from my local shop (Railwayania/Replica Railways) in early 2010 for £44 - it had been taken to so many exhibitions, not sold and brought back again that the box of this brand new model was totally worn! Guess it was not popular. The reason for this livery choice would appear to have been differentiation of the first four Peak releases on shop shelves, although 45121 with stripes/without white roof would have been more sensible.

This model's combination of single centre headcodes and no triangular side grilles was a rare combination on Class 45s, only D12-18 (45011/001/015/018/016/024/121)  rebuilt from split boxes were like this, plus one or two collision repairs (e.g. D115/45067). D11/45122 was also rebuilt from boxes to centre but got the triangular grilles.

My 45114 was fully resprayed into standard blue as 45001 in 1974 condition, numbered on all four corners (Derby turned out 45001-3 & 45101-12 like this in 1973) although it still has covered water tank filler ports as I didn't want to cause damage trying to lever them off (the real 45001 had these covered over in early 1976). I assume the filler caps are still under those....... I added the missing air tanks by simply swapping underframes with my green D67, which put both of them right!!

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3 hours ago, Neil Phillips said:

I bought a 45114 from my local shop (Railwayania/Replica Railways) in early 2010 for £44 - it had been taken to so many exhibitions, not sold and brought back again that the box of this brand new model was totally worn! Guess it was not popular. The reason for this livery choice would appear to have been differentiation of the first four Peak releases on shop shelves, although 45121 with stripes/without white roof would have been more sensible.

This model's combination of single centre headcodes and no triangular side grilles was a rare combination on Class 45s, only D12-18 (45011/001/015/018/016/024/121)  rebuilt from split boxes were like this, plus one or two collision repairs (e.g. D115/45067). D11/45122 was also rebuilt from boxes to centre but got the triangular grilles.

My 45114 was fully resprayed into standard blue as 45001 in 1974 condition, numbered on all four corners (Derby turned out 45001-3 & 45101-12 like this in 1973) although it still has covered water tank filler ports as I didn't want to cause damage trying to lever them off (the real 45001 had these covered over in early 1976). I assume the filler caps are still under those....... I added the missing air tanks by simply swapping underframes with my green D67, which put both of them right!!

Neil,

 

I have levered off a few covered water ports over the years, and yes the filler caps are inside. Not difficult, I seem to remember that I carefully slipped a knife blade in the sides to give some leverage, possibly even drilled some little holes in the covers to help as well.

 

The Bachmann Peaks with plated bodyside steps to the roof also seem to have the step indent inside. I've done a couple of these as well, but managed to make a mess on one as the knife slipped, after some filler and rubbing down it is in the spray queue.

 

John.

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Thanks for confirming that John, I wish I'd had a go at them now, before I resprayed it, although now I know it would be worth it I may yet summon the courage.....! I have another Bachmann Peak awaiting upgrading, that has the same issue so I can practise on that one first to see what I'm up against. Luckily many detail parts were not that well glued by Bachmann, making it simple to remove glazing with a finger press (too simple sometimes but handy for repainting/varnishing) and swapping boiler grilles/blanking plates between Class 25s - I wanted to do specific examples of each style and on the models these details were the wrong way round - sorted in minutes.

 

The other Peak is Class 46 D163 in green - I want to keep it as this one, as it was on transfer to the WR in 1971, but as supplied this has split centre headcodes (incorrect for 'economy green') and triangular grilles (correct), AFAIK a combination not seen on any Peaks in BR service, although 45112 sports it in preservation. So to put D163 right for 1971 I need to (hopefully) uncover those filler ports, plate over the side steps (10thou plasticard touched in with green which helpfully doesn't have to match), remove the bogie steps to these, remove the inner sandboxes, remove yet another set of unnecessary air tanks (!), amend the split-centre to centre headcodes, scribe in the missing nose panel lines, shorten the cab door handrails and widen the yellow warning panels. The numbers look undersized too, and the supplied etched plates more maroon than red. I think the cab roofs should be grey not green too but given the above list of tasks to turn D163 into.............er, D163, I'll probably live with those!

 

FWIW in 1964 D163 was in standard green with off-white stripes/grilles and those strange-looking over-large yellow panels around split-centre headcodes and no triangular side grilles (Bachmann's D67 would actually be a better starting point for this version!)

 

And I know what you mean about a "spray queue" - personal circumstances mean that I now have quite a long one of those. But now that I've moved to a new home I'm hopeful that my new compressor won't sit idle for much longer.....

 

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19 hours ago, 9C85 said:

 

Thanks so much for the advice. 

I am thinking of just doing the roof as you described it.

I can probably live with the white stripes, but if the roof comes out a close match to the body, I might try the same approach on the stripes.

Thanks again 

I would see if I can T cut the white stripes off.

Prime  roof with Halfords rattle can primer , then spray . I have found ( certainly on 37251) that the current shade of Bachmann blue is very close to railmatch .

 

114 is an ancient model, so I’m not sure if that is also true 

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1 hour ago, rob D2 said:

Certainly had a white roof in 1979 but no stripes,

was standard rail blue in 1980,

 

not my photo, harvested from Flickr 

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Yeah, I found that photo too. It's pretty much bang on my era.  Also seeing this has renewed my quest for Mk2 stock .

Good tip about the T-Cut. Thanks 

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11 hours ago, Neil Phillips said:

Thanks for confirming that John, I wish I'd had a go at them now, before I resprayed it, although now I know it would be worth it I may yet summon the courage.....! I have another Bachmann Peak awaiting upgrading, that has the same issue so I can practise on that one first to see what I'm up against. Luckily many detail parts were not that well glued by Bachmann, making it simple to remove glazing with a finger press (too simple sometimes but handy for repainting/varnishing) and swapping boiler grilles/blanking plates between Class 25s - I wanted to do specific examples of each style and on the models these details were the wrong way round - sorted in minutes.

 

The other Peak is Class 46 D163 in green - I want to keep it as this one, as it was on transfer to the WR in 1971, but as supplied this has split centre headcodes (incorrect for 'economy green') and triangular grilles (correct), AFAIK a combination not seen on any Peaks in BR service, although 45112 sports it in preservation. So to put D163 right for 1971 I need to (hopefully) uncover those filler ports, plate over the side steps (10thou plasticard touched in with green which helpfully doesn't have to match), remove the bogie steps to these, remove the inner sandboxes, remove yet another set of unnecessary air tanks (!), amend the split-centre to centre headcodes, scribe in the missing nose panel lines, shorten the cab door handrails and widen the yellow warning panels. The numbers look undersized too, and the supplied etched plates more maroon than red. I think the cab roofs should be grey not green too but given the above list of tasks to turn D163 into.............er, D163, I'll probably live with those!

 

FWIW in 1964 D163 was in standard green with off-white stripes/grilles and those strange-looking over-large yellow panels around split-centre headcodes and no triangular side grilles (Bachmann's D67 would actually be a better starting point for this version!)

 

And I know what you mean about a "spray queue" - personal circumstances mean that I now have quite a long one of those. But now that I've moved to a new home I'm hopeful that my new compressor won't sit idle for much longer.....

 

Ah yes, I have a D163 as well, but want mine in late 60's condition so the bodyside footsteps are fine as is, no need to cover.

 

What a wierd mix this one is. I've no idea why Bachmann put air tanks on everything, even 44's, but at least it's easy to take them off. Less clear for me is if the water tank (for the boiler) should still be in situ, if you look at pictures of Peaks it is extremely difficult to be sure when this has been removed, unless there are air tanks in place instead.

 

I think you're right about the cab roofs being grey, having trawled through pictures that seems to be the case, as ever with Peaks the roofs are grot colour all over in reality!

 

The headcode panel needs removal of the centre "split" as you say, I think in reality there was a larger gap between second and third characters rather than the others, so just needs new glazing and some headcodes behind on black plastcard.

 

In answer to 9C85, I've done nose scribing with a strip of thin brass bent round the nose to give a guide, then lightly used a scriber I have that removes, rather than dents the plastic. It doesn't always go right I have to say, and you need to be mindful of the line being just on top of the nose side grilles, obviously the whole thing must be straight. Another option might be to simply roll a sharp curved blade round from the side to the front, on each side, to make a mark.

 

John.

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2 hours ago, 9C85 said:

Could you please tell me how you go about doing that?

 

John T has beaten me to it, that's the method I use! My strip of brass is about 8mm wide and shaped to fit as closely as possible around the nose - it's worth taking time to get this right, and you can keep it handy for future use. I remove the top lamp brackets as they're in the way and the wrong shape anyway - give 'em a poke from the inside and they should pop off (you can reattach them later or form more accurate ones from bent staples or scrap etch). The brass strip is then clenched firmly against the nose, lined up with the top of the nose side grilles as John says, then take a deep breath, go easy with multiple passes (I don't have a scriber like John, I use a hardened steel needle in a pin vice) and hope for the best!

It worked OK on 45001, which needed its noses repainting anyway from that dodgy orangey yellow, but I have D67 & D163 still to do............:huh:

A pity Bachmann didn't take a look at the old Mainline Peak before signing off the tooling.....I

 

John, I still have a pair of A1 etched brass Peak centre headcode frames but they're a bit crude and may not improve the appearance! I'll clean them up, paint them black and make a judgement.

Peak details are a total 'mare - the original build batches are clear enough but, according to a series of articles in Traction many years ago it would appear that a mid-60s refurbishment of the Class 45/46 had intended to get them all looking the same - single centre headcode with exposed triangular side grilles (none of the Class 46s had the latter to begin with, even though D174-193 had single headcodes from new). But - guess what? - insufficient budget! So the internal changes were made but the external tidy-up was curtailed, leaving modified locos scattered randomly throughout Class 45 to trip up future modellers! But at least the 46s all ended up looking the same, even if the benefit of changing D138-173 from split-centre to centre headcode design was not obvious.

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