sub39h Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Hi guys, Is there anywhere I can find out more information about Mk1 GUVs with gangways? I've tried googling but apart from Jim SWs excellent P4 New Street website where he mentions making some I can't find any information about them. Information such as liveries and their use is what I'm after. I'm modelling late 1980s/early 1990s and have seen a photo of a model of one in Royal Mail livery which looks quite smart which I wouldn't mind adding to a postal train. Thanks very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 17, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2016 Have a look at Paul Bartletts excellent site http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brnpccs/h306c3dfb#h306c3dfb Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 They were converted to replace the ageing (and draughty) Siphon Gs on Newspaper trains; the former end doors were replaced with a bow end, and I believe they were all fitted with toilets, to obviate the need to run a passenger coach in the formation, as had been the case previously. They also had ETH fitted; some Siphon Gs were retained, and also were fitted with the ETH cables, at least. Initial livery was BR Blue, with 'Newspapers' in large Rail Alphabet script towards the LH end. When the newspaper traffic was lost, I believe they were re-assigned to postal traffic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted February 17, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2016 Weren't some doors sealed up on the body sides or was that Newspaper Traffic BG's I am thinking of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Weren't some doors sealed up on the body sides or was that Newspaper Traffic BG's I am thinking of? The one in the linked photo seemed to have retained its full complement of doors. One curious thing is that it seems to have retained BR1 bogies, but with roller bearings; I don't think I've seen that before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Here is W85533 at Newport presumably waiting to be attached to the empty news van train to Old Oak https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/17720143648/in/photolist-e1pcCZ-b2AXXn-sZSnm5-qwA4rd-Bw3Hkc-qrm7Hc-7y6btV-dHn14x-x4cm6E cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted February 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2016 Yep it was BG's that had their doors sealed up for Newspaper traffic, not GUV's. Here is one: http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brnpccs/h505e837#h1186318e Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Brilliant, thanks for all the replies team. Aside from adding a gangway to each end what would I have to do to a Bachmann one to accurately model it? Does anyone happen to have any photos of a gangwayed GUV in Royal Mail red? Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 There was an article in rail express modeller a while back about converting one, will see if I can find the issue no a bit later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 There was an article in rail express modeller a while back about converting one, will see if I can find the issue no a bit later. Thanks for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 The converted one looked good in the Royal Mail red livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2016 Brilliant, thanks for all the replies team. Aside from adding a gangway to each end what would I have to do to a Bachmann one to accurately model it?You need to have a small square opaque window for the toilet, along with water tank filler pipes: http://80srail.zenfolio.com/p631224373/h117c4706#h117c4706 http://80srail.zenfolio.com/p631224373/h117c4706#h8ec488 There are other side views too. If you're looking for other pics, the TOPS code is NLX Depending on how far you want to go, you'll also have to replace the buffers. As a normal GUV, it would have sprung buffers and screw couplings, but as an NLX with gangway and buckeyes it would need retractable buffers (as fitted to normal LHCS) http://80srail.zenfolio.com/p631224373/h148319ee#h148319ee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 There are a couple of photos, (not brilliant ones), of a couple I took at Worcester in Dec 80, on my Flickr site here, https://flic.kr/p/rqFW6K and here https://flic.kr/p/rqHuUj One of them is on B1 bogies with oil axleboxes and the other on B4's. I also have another photo on the site here https://flic.kr/p/rovMWL of another GUV at Ferm Park CS. taken in Feb 81, which retains end doors but has been fitted with ETH and Pass-com at one end, making it impossible to open the end door. It may have been done for Newspaper traffic but was not labled as such. Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted February 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 18, 2016 There was an article on converting one from a Bachmann GUV in RailExpress Modeller a few years back... A search should get you the issue number and they do have back numbers on many copies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Brilliant, thanks for all the replies team. Aside from adding a gangway to each end what would I have to do to a Bachmann one to accurately model it? Does anyone happen to have any photos of a gangwayed GUV in Royal Mail red? Thanks again There's one here. http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=3965 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted February 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2016 It was a while ago (longer than I thought!) that REx Modeller had the article http://www.railexpress.co.uk/news/rem-march-2011-contents . I have made Tom Curtis, who did the conversion and wrote the article, aware of this thread as he is only an occasional visitor to RMWeb so he'll probably keep an eye on it now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Adrian beat me to it, but that's the one I was thinking about too. A conversion is also covered, albeit in less detail, in Railway Modeller from Feb. 1999. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazythread Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 These vans have always fascinated me. I went inside one (94024 I think) at the Wolverton Works open day in 1987. The inside was painted white as I remember and had flourescent lights together with fold-down/up tables along the sides for newspaper packing. The toilet was very basic and in one corner. They certainly all received B4/5 bogies in the late 80s, had buckeye couplings and retractable buffers. Sadly I don't have photos now of that visit. edited for spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew s Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I did a conversion a couple of years ago using the Lima GUV,repainted in Royal Mail Livery. I can put up a photograph if needed. Regard's, Andrew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragtag Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Interestingly, the REM article suggests adding the new ends to the existing sides and lengthening the roof whilst the RM article suggests shortening the sides before adding the new corridor ends and reshaping the ends of the existing-length roof.I'd be interested to know which approach is more correct - don't suppose anyone happens to have accurate diagrams or dimensions for these vehicles, or first-hand knowledge of how the conversion was done? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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