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These have been turning up at Crawley New Yard for a while now. Mostly in the afternoon. They have no loco with them by the time I go past them, it just seems to turn up dump them and go. The only branding I can see on the wagons is the VTG logo. I would like to build a few of these....anyone know what they are and what the working is?

 

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The Down Newhaven Ash train was a GBRF 66 this morning with ERMEWA JNAs. This is occasionally turning up although I'm not sure why. Again I would like a few of these.

These will probably be stone from Westbury via Acton; it's possible that the train from Acton had consisted of a portion for Crawley, and another for a second destination, such as Ardingly. The loco would have dropped off one portion, then gone on to the second terminal. The trains from Westbury to Acton consist of several portions (up to five 1000t ones, I believe).

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Thanks for the info Brian. That hadn't occurred to me, I haven't seen a GBRF train at Haywards Heath though so perhaps it is an additional working to Newhaven. A bit like the old Hall Aggregates workings in the 1980s etc.

 

My son managed to get some shots off the up working yesterday 696M running 50+ mins early. The wagons were a uniformed rake of the grey ERMEWA branded JNAs. Although some poor sad little sole, apparently called 'NUG', who growing up was obviously very deprived and didn't have any of his own belongings, so has sort to redress this repressed need and has claimed one of these JNAs as his own by spraying 'NUG' and some sort of hyroglifics down the side, just so that everyone will know that that wagon is 'HIS'......

 

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The wagons have gaps in the body work at the top.....

 

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Ive often looked at graffitied wagons and thought what a waste of talent..your just ruining someone else's property.. Its kinda they get a kick out of being 'naughty' in my experience they are usually NEETS' teens who are not in Education, employment or training..post-29394-0-93704100-1496516682_thumb.jpg

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Marco cheers for the confirmation, there is something about that dark blue rake that makes me want to model them....just the transfers that could prove difficult and expensive. Although I had an idea that perhaps I could get adhesive backed vinyls made up in the base colour with the logos data panels etc included on them and then just stick them on the sides between the ribs. I have not idea of how much it might cost or even where to get it done. I have some Southern Pride EMU and DEMU units which use the same technology, although from a wagon point of view it would be much easier to produce as they tend to be fairly straight sided and obviously have no windows.

Does anyone have any experience or views on this method? It would probably best suit box open wagons.....

 

Frustratingly, over the past month, work has been seriously interfering with the A.M.T. (Available Modelling Time) both at work and at home....

However I have been putting together 6 more EANOS open wagons using the prototype one shown below.

 

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The real thing, a German example in this case, there are so many detail variants of this type of wagon and it would be within gauge on the HS UK network, although given the wagon's usual and traffic type it is highly unlikely to appear here.

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Good to see the building coming along.. If you have a printer you Could try doing you own transfers onto transfer paper which can ne be bought.. You just have to get a decent pic of what you want.. Or ask railtech to have a go..I spoke to the chap at burton and hes willing to add to his range upon modellers suggestion.

 

Meanwhile ive started on a O&K hopper

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Good to see the building coming along.. If you have a printer you Could try doing you own transfers onto transfer paper which can ne be bought.. You just have to get a decent pic of what you want.. Or ask railtech to have a go..I spoke to the chap at burton and hes willing to add to his range upon modellers suggestion.

 

Meanwhile ive started on a O&K hopper

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A few links to web-sites that might provide inspiration for these and future builds:-

http://www.tosh-railways.com/Wagons

http://www.trenomania.org/fotogallery/index.php?cat=37

http://www.photos-ferroviaires.fr/index.php?/categories

This link is to a French site, based in Hazebrouck, may also be of interest:- https://lapassiondutrain.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Tergnier .Tergnier is about a two-hour drive from Coquelles, and is probably one of the busiest yards in Northern France these days.

As you say, that German example in the photograph is probably close to UK loading gauge, though it's difficult to see what traffic they might be used on. They wouldn't be allowed through the Channel Tunnel loaded, and would have to be cleaned out thoroughly before coming through empty.

Many of this type of wagon have had their original bodies replaced by new ones prefabricated at specialist steel fabricators; The chassis are generally built to last for a minimum of forty years, whilst the bodies are intended to be renewed at about half that. It looks as though some of this new style of body are partially bolt-together, judging by photo 152

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A few links to web-sites that might provide inspiration for these and future builds:-

http://www.tosh-railways.com/Wagons

http://www.trenomania.org/fotogallery/index.php?cat=37

http://www.photos-ferroviaires.fr/index.php?/categories

This link is to a French site, based in Hazebrouck, may also be of interest:- https://lapassiondutrain.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Tergnier .Tergnier is about a two-hour drive from Coquelles, and is probably one of the busiest yards in Northern France these days.

As you say, that German example in the photograph is probably close to UK loading gauge, though it's difficult to see what traffic they might be used on. They wouldn't be allowed through the Channel Tunnel loaded, and would have to be cleaned out thoroughly before coming through empty.

Many of this type of wagon have had their original bodies replaced by new ones prefabricated at specialist steel fabricators; The chassis are generally built to last for a minimum of forty years, whilst the bodies are intended to be renewed at about half that. It looks as though some of this new style of body are partially bolt-together, judging by photo 152

Brian many thanks for the links. The variety of European wagons is what makes them appealing to model for me. Sadly I'd definitely agree it is highly unlikely that any of these would ever make it to the UK although the loading gauge on CTRL would permit it in theory. If only we had had the foresight to build a freight route up the spine of the country with European loading gauge, that could compete and possibly eliminate much of the unnecessary road haulage clogging up the motorways.......oh no....wait.......oh of course we had the Great Central....I wonder why it was seen as such a threat........hahahahahaha......

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Brian many thanks for the links. The variety of European wagons is what makes them appealing to model for me. Sadly I'd definitely agree it is highly unlikely that any of these would ever make it to the UK although the loading gauge on CTRL would permit it in theory. If only we had had the foresight to build a freight route up the spine of the country with European loading gauge, that could compete and possibly eliminate much of the unnecessary road haulage clogging up the motorways.......oh no....wait.......oh of course we had the Great Central....I wonder why it was seen as such a threat........hahahahahaha......

It's often said that the Great Central was built to Berne Gauge, or something similar, but I've never seen evidence of this.

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Good to see the building coming along.. If you have a printer you Could try doing you own transfers onto transfer paper which can ne be bought.. You just have to get a decent pic of what you want.. Or ask railtech to have a go..I spoke to the chap at burton and hes willing to add to his range upon modellers suggestion.

Meanwhile ive started on a O&K hopper

hello Marco

how is the O&K hopper progressing. Excelent topic you have here, thank you.

Paul

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Thank you Paul. Its not my topic as such but started by Grizz. Im contributing as much as I can though but Grizz deserves the Credit for his knowledge that hes contributed, especially with awareness of suppliers..

 

Funnily enough tonight I took some pics of my 2 oand K HOPPERS with intention of posting. I plan to badge up with yeoman branding and run with some PGA, in a mixed rake.. Busy at work lately but maybe a window for some spraying at the weekend.. Scratchbuilding can be expensive but not as expensive as RTR wagons..!!

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Marco....superb as ever mate. The O&Ks look great, did you get hold of Intercity Models in the end?

 

You have captured the bulky shape really well. Are they to be weathered? These JYAs regularly turn up at Crawley New Yard mixed in with those silver long and short JNAs that you previously built. They are showing their age though and do look somewhat dated when mixed in with other wagons.

 

It occurred to me that none of these wagons are ever likely to be preserved in the future as preserved railways don't cater for this type of bulk traffic vehicle. Air braked wagons are already under represented in this area so it's good to record them where ever possible. It is only likely to be wagons that can provide some sort of revenue that might survive. Sad really.

 

My modelling has still be stifled by work recently, although those six EANOS wagons are nearing completion ready for spraying.

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It was for O&K bogies, but I see the ones you have used are white metal, inter city's ones are brass and white metal. Years back I bought four pairs, there were very good but I know my limitations with brass kits. They look ok but they were hard work and I don't like the hassle of it all.

 

Well that has put the Great Central 'Berne Gauge' firmly six foot under. Logical really, dunno why it never occurred to me before, urban myth I guess...cheers Gents.

 

Having had a totally full on week at work, helped deal with a derailment and all that that involves (half a rain forrest for starters), I plan to relax this weekend and hopefully do a bit of modelling.

 

Anything on the radar Marco?

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well there's a brunette down the local I've had my eye.. oh modelling sorry .. I got those O&K bogies off S kits eventually, at Burton DEMU at the beginning of the month.. it was good to meet George and have a good chat .. he's planning a kit for the PHA angular hopper later in the year, the type of which no longer in use... I need to finish off my MJA's AND THE oAND k plain hopers as above..

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So that's why they didn't build the Great Central to it.

 

Which of course doesn't preclude it from being built to a gauge that might conform to Berne, or be fairly similar to a European gauge, but it wouldn't have been built to Berne spec.

 

As I understand it, the French had quite a limiting pre-Berne loading gauge and spent quite a lot of money enhancing it in the years after the agreement.

 

I guess if Edward Watkin was planning a route to paris, then whatever gauge the Nord company in France would have been most relevant. 

 

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Which of course doesn't preclude it from being built to a gauge that might conform to Berne, or be fairly similar to a European gauge, but it wouldn't have been built to Berne spec.

 

As I understand it, the French had quite a limiting pre-Berne loading gauge and spent quite a lot of money enhancing it in the years after the agreement.

 

I guess if Edward Watkin was planning a route to paris, then whatever gauge the Nord company in France would have been most relevant. 

 

Jon

The most-restrictive loading gauge in France was to the west of Paris, most noticeably on the lines to Le Havre and Cherbourg. The former has only just been upgraded to allow 9'6" boxes to be carried on standard flats.

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