Grizz Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 The ends are now trimmed up and the tissue paper, representing the vinyl tarpaulin hood, previously covered with three coatings of PVA, were sprayed with two coats of Halfords Red Primer and then a thick coat of Humbrol gloss varnish was brushed on. This has now dried and it has formed a hard shell. The full gloss coat will obviously be best for any transfers, sadly none of which I have at present. But once these are done I'll probably weather the wagons and dull down the extremely high gloss finish, a satin finish would be ok for an ex works wagon but flat matt would be best for all others. Whilst I was busy varnishing I gave the older DB liveried wagon a coat of gloss varnish as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 The JNA scrap wagons I previously built have been loaded with the bailed scrap ( a years worth of Tunnocks Tea Cake foil wrappers). Takes a while to squash them down. These will end up getting weathered and coloured up to represent scrap bails. 32 fit in each half of one wagon. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 The JNA scrap wagons I previously built have been loaded with the bailed scrap ( a years worth of Tunnocks Tea Cake foil wrappers). Takes a while to squash them down. These will end up getting weathered and coloured up to represent scrap bails. 32 fit in each half of one wagon. image.jpg image.jpg Don't pile them in too high; bales that size would weigh in at around the tonne mark. I spent some time checking way-bills for scrap at a now-closed BSC plant, and discovered that 16t minerals loaded to the top of the sides would typically have 24t of baled scrap, and 21t minerals close to 30. No wonder there were broken springs and hot-boxes. I pass the scrap bay at CELSA's plant in Cardiff quite often, and have noticed that inbound scrap is now shredded rather than baled, presumably because it feeds an electric arc furnace; baled scrap may still be used at Basic Oxygen plants, however. Arthur would be able to tell us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
auld_boot Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Sorry for the thread hi-jack, but anybody reading this thread and wants a copy of the book mentioned earlier in the thread. One bargain copy for £3.73 left here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Railway-Wagon-Plans-1980s-to-the-Present-Day-by-John-L-Fox-9780711038431/352217191974?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 Guess who bought the other copy?! No connection to seller, just a happy customer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium steverabone Posted December 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2017 Those are some really good wagons that you've built. I've been building DB wagons (and carriages and diesel locos) in S Scale, mainly out of cardboard but with some brass and plastic where this would be better in S Scale. Why S Scale? Mainly because I like the size of the models but also because no manufacturer is likely to produce DB in S !! The full details are on my website at: http://steverabone.com/sscalewebsite/modelling_the_d_b.htm The photos show the finished results. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted December 19, 2017 Author Share Posted December 19, 2017 Some very good modelling Steve. I have never really seen any 'modern' S scale models. There have been a few pregrouping / industrial jobs at local exhibitions but here have been pretty specialist. What locos do you run? Is the track is hand built or is there a supplier of RTR? I'm hoping to get a day off over Christmas where I can sit down and model for the whole day. It isn't looking too promising at the moment. But I'd like to have a go at a few of these........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium steverabone Posted January 3, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 3, 2018 Some very good modelling Steve. I have never really seen any 'modern' S scale models. There have been a few pregrouping / industrial jobs at local exhibitions but here have been pretty specialist. What locos do you run? Is the track is hand built or is there a supplier of RTR? I'm hoping to get a day off over Christmas where I can sit down and model for the whole day. It isn't looking too promising at the moment. But I'd like to have a go at a few of these........ Thanks for those comments about my models. Everything running on the layout and a description of it together with some short films can be found on this section of my website. http://steverabone.com/sscalewebsite/modelling_the_d_b.htm The track uses rebuilt Peco code 100 points on copper clad sleepers. All rolling stock and locos are completely scratchbuilt, mostly out of cardboard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike B Posted January 22, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2018 You guys are barking mad.......and extremely good at scratch building - some of the wagons I've had to look twice at to check they're not RTR! If anyone fancies making me a rake of MRL JNAs for Oak Road I'd be very grateful 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Lol.. Madness does come into scooby! Maybe you've spurred me on to do a couple more mrl jna... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Hi - just found this thread.... some nice modelling! I see you found my LTF-25 bogies (P5 of the thread). More info can be found here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/864/entry-9340-arc-hanson-jha-part-6-revised-bogies-fitted-to-scratch-built-wagons/ Here's my own efforts in scratch building PTAs. Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Sorry lyneux yes i have seem yours before and they inspired me to have a go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbler Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Grizz Some inspirational stuff going on here. Love the way you can mass produce your wagons. Bit too modern and foreign for me, but still.......excellent Love a bit of scratchin' meself' Keep up the good work. Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Grizz Some inspirational stuff going on here. Love the way you can mass produce your wagons. Bit too modern and foreign for me, but still.......excellent Love a bit of scratchin' meself' Keep up the good work. Scott Cheers Scott. At one stage a couple of years back I was sat at home doing this and wondering if was the only one interested in scratch building modern wagons. But then I came across RMWeb and started this thread and then chatted with the guys on here. It's good to share and interesting to chat, espically if it is not my particular field, every day's a school day, there is always something to learn. Flipping work keeps interrupting at the moment and has done for the last few months. That's why I have got much done recently and we are now at the end of January already. Sounds like Marco's inspired to start his next project. Keep the photos following please..... Cheers. Grizz. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Lol will do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) Been doing some scenic work over last few months around wagon repair depot and just enjoying playing trains heres some pics of things in action.oh and off topic slightly the hanson 59 now has a smoke generator and sound from south coast digital. I do like my gimmicks... Edited January 28, 2018 by Marcoblanco 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 The new and old wagon fleet at the Chalk Quarry. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted February 3, 2018 Author Share Posted February 3, 2018 EWS has taken over and new wagons are the order of the day...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Nice stuff Grizz! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Another pta/jua added.. Does anybody have any 2p pieces as i need them for ballast... Lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Glad I'm not the only one that re-purposes 2p coins as ballast! I think I've doubled the price of some wagons that way... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 New Hopper wagon ....requires finishing the labelling up with the decals. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted February 4, 2018 Share Posted February 4, 2018 Glad to see those tf25 going strong Grizzz.... I need some ideas to use mine up for.. Got a few spare in the spares box... I may look at adapting some TEA with tf25.. Are the tanks from Hornby/LIMA exaxtly the same Grizz? Or maybe the ioa railtrack yellow thing.. Anyway i need some chocolate and red wine.. I must spray that pta up!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Haha yeah only got a few hundred left. With regards to other wagons to use them under I've been thinking along the same lines. The original Lima and original Hornby TEA Tank models are different in that the Lima ones appear to be slightly under scale. But I suppose that this issue is not too unusual for Lima. I'm not sure what 'Lots' they are supposed to represent. Of the Lima bogie Tanks I have I have changed the original Glouster bogies out and put TF25s under 9 of them. I have three Hornby ones and have put Bachmann Y25s under those. There are so many variations though. I guess it's like most wagons that have been around for a few years they differ in detail wagon by wagon. Some other wagons that have TF25s are JGA (BLI / VTG) - Bogie Cement Tank Hopper Wagons. I know that these are available AS RTR. Again there are variations but as a project the tanks bodies would probably be a complete nightmare unless built using resin or 3D printed. I've had a close up look at some real ones and the multiple curves and tapers present a real challenge. This has always put me off having a go, so the scratch built tanks I've built so far have all got parallel diameter bodies. European wagons might yield greater possibilities. My layout mixes UK and European wagons, even if this is not prototypical, as it gives great variety and interest. Good to see you're adding to the wagon fleet. I've tried various types of ballast weights over the years. The modern box opens tend to need more add weight especially when running as empties. I've used strips of lead left over from a building project. These were attached using impact adhesive and then either covered in 0.5mm styrene or a coat of PVA then painted. I've also used a strip if steel in flat wagons as these are the hardest to get correctly ballasted. If a load is added it can tend to make them top heavy if they don't have their own ballast weight to lower the centre of gravity. Keep the photos coming mate, your work inspires me to do more.........if only I had more time........flipping work.....mutter mutter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted February 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2018 The modern TEAs (ie from 2001) with TF25s have a very different barrel shape and "underframe" structure to the Hornby/Lima model. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted February 5, 2018 Author Share Posted February 5, 2018 Mike thanks for the heads up. Looking at a few photos of the ends of modern TEAs I can see what you mean. Again a nightmare to scratch build without casting ends, 3D printing or filing out of something solid. I swapped the bogies under my TEAs to give them a more modern look, although I now know that it is not prototypical.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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