jonhall Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 They also help tension the hood, I've only ever seen something similar on the Hurst telescopic coil hood, but considering the difficulty of obtaining Hurst stuff, I'm afraid that doesn't help you. Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Not sure if you're aware of this site:- https://www.tosh-railways.com/Wagons/UIC-letter-codes Lots of inspiration, and some very interesting views. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 A little bit of progress on the covered bogie hoods wagons. Using the tissue paper, watered down pritt-stick and PVA method, I’ve got three out of the latest batch of four RILS covered with at least two layers each. Christmas came up trumps with a load of presents wrapped up in various colours of tissue paper. Four sheets of a colour close enough to be DB Red and a great dark purple sheet, although I must admit it is rather odd but hey it’s my railway, it could be a Cadburys wagon. Going to have a go at a few dark blue ones as I got quite a bit of that. I have a rattle can spray paint that will cover DB Red and also a can of gloss purple for the purple one. I’ve found that building up several thin layers with the watered down pritt-stick and PVA works well. After the layers of gloss paint there will be a layer of satin varnish, then transfers (If I can find some suitable ones in 4mm) then more satin varnish. The real vinyl material used for these hoods is very shiny when new, and even slightly shiny in places when covered in road dirt. I got a chance to get up close and personal with a dozen or so in Denmark in 2019, they are an impressively big vehicle, and one of my personal favourites. There are numerous differences in the wagon end details, number of ribs and under frame arrangements etc. Going to put Bachmann RTR Y25s under them, sadly I’ve only got a few pairs left from the pile I bought from Peters Spares years ago. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share Posted January 25, 2021 Needs a few more layers of tissue paper to lessen the visibility of the ribs. Next batch I’ll use ultra fine styrene strips so that they don’t show through as much. The dark blue one, I should have a rattle can somewhere that will match the colour. The biggest issue with building these wagons is that the position of the bogie pivots means that the outer edge of the couplings on the RTR Bachmann Y25 bogies sit about 7mm behind the buffer heads. So I’ll have to come up with a longer shaft to fit in the NEM pocket. Did think about fixing couplings to the under frame but it’s too much effort. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 On 30/03/2020 at 00:57, Marcoblanco said: Hi Marco, hope all well with you. Just flicking back through the pages on here to find one of your master pieces. More exactly this Bardon hopper. Quite superb. Can you detail how you built it please, the cutting and assembly etc. Construction of hoppers is something I have always found difficult, so apart from a dozen or so I have avoided. But now that it looks like I have possibly missed the boat with the Calvalex versions, at least I never received a reply to my booking form, I might have a go at at least one. I see you’ve used cast Y25s, where these the Bachmann RTR version? Any recent videos from your layout? Cheers. Grizz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 So the solution to fixing the Bachmann RTR Y25 bogies coupling length for this RILS vehicle isn’t straight forward as the legs of the couplings and pocket lengths are too short to allow the front section curved rubbing plate of the tension lock to clear the buffers. I cut up some spare NEM pockets to help to extend the couplings past the buffer heads, especially when the bogie is rotated. The photo below shows a standard Bachmann Y25 fitted with a standard Bachmann coupling, against my extended one with a Bachmann coupling and then another extended one but with a Hornby coupling. It needed to be extended by roughly 7mm to clear the buffers when rotated to the maximum either way. I also added extra styrene to the top of the bogie to stabilise the wagon and stop it from tipping too far either way, sideways, on the bogie pivot. Seems to work ok so far. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted January 28, 2021 Author Share Posted January 28, 2021 First coat of gloss red....well sort of red. In this case it doesn’t do what it says on the tin. Not exactly DB Red, maybe faded DB Red but that is not really look I was going for. So for now it’ll do until I can get a closer colour match. But I am pleased with the glossy finish, this is exactly what I was after. The red thing sticking out is a piece of plastic temporarily stuck to the bottom of the wagon to stop it from toppling over whilst being sprayed. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 I’ve said it before but in case anyone missed it, IMHO, it is really worth getting this book. For ‘modern wagon modelling’ it is such a great reference book. John L Fox drawings are superb. Before this book I had to scratch around the web, pretty unsuccessfully, trying then scale back or up drawings. Massive thank you John. Any more books on the horizon sir? A book with more European / British wagons that were build outside the UK and used both home and abroad would be great. For example, this is a KHA-E wagon, similar to the RILS I am building. Two coats now on the DB RILS, but will definitely need a more prototypical DB works Red top coat. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) Jo Hi Grizz!! Good to see the work!! Thanks for calling the Bardon hopper a 'masterpiece'! It's close as I could get but I'm sure its not 100% accurate- what models are? No drawings available as far as I could see at the time. One useful technique is to find a picture online and enlargening it to the size of the Bachmann bogies. From what I recall I did a drawing in 4mm scale based on the size of the bogies. Tricky as I couldn't find any square on photos of the wagon. But it shows what can be done if you take care with your preparation. I spent the first 10yrs or so of my working life as a chef. Preparation, planning and detail is everything! There are no curves on the wagon which makes life easier. It just has the angled profiles on the sides which were fairly easy to achieve and using separate sections of card. Unfortunately I had to move location back in the spring for one reason or another and decided to rent out my property for the time being so my larger layout is dismantled but I managed to get a micro layout going to help keep me 'sane' Not really the space for any building projects at the moment. Hopefully start some things later on in the year when I'm somewhere else. It's an unpredictable world out there at the moment, but what can we do, just keep goin eh.. :-) I enclose pics of my micro layout. The yard is busier than ever.. Wagons everywhere!! *Good spot today was 66789 going through Hook, Hampshire just after 2pm. Just got a glimpse from Tescos car park. Lucky eh.. Edited February 2, 2021 by Marcoblanco Grammar 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 Hey Marco, good to see you are still modelling bud. Your masterpiece Bardon Hopper is without doubt my favourite. I’ve got to get my laptop sorted before I can really get to grips with drawings and printing stuff off. Ive been of modelling for a few weeks, but I had to have a go at a wagon I saw in Germany a couple of years back. It had articulated double bogies, fortunately similar to TF25s because I still have a few. So I am experimenting with that wagon concept, so far I’m quite please and it can negotiate 1st radius curves but won’t have to in normal service. Not sure whether it will get finished it is really to see if it will work. Also just gave one of the RILS a coat of undiluted PVA to get the hood a convincing smooth vinyl look prior to being sprayed with gloss paint. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 What 'body' goes on the wagon with the double bogies? Looks interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Satan's Goldfish said: What 'body' goes on the wagon with the double bogies? Looks interesting. An F ing big one! Actually it was part of a DB track laying train that was stupidly long. We saw it go throughHamburg Harburg station in 2019. I’ve got a video of it somewhere I think. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I like the comment re tf25s 'because I still have a few of them' !! made me laugh.. you've got all of em'!!! Any news on that Dapol 59.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 You may have seen this already, but it can help! https://www.greenbrier-europe.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Produkte/2018_ENG_GBRX_Internet.pdf some plans and photos 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sej Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 That's a fantastic resource, thanks for posting the link! Cheers Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 yes good website. I used it a couple of years ago to scratchbuild the newer JNA.. that revolution latterly brought out 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Im back in the zone, checking on bogies and ready for a project. Hows it goin out there Grizz? Does anyone know if the MLA ballast wagon is the same length as the JNA falcon ? I cant seem to find measurements anywhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Please guess the wagon 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 On 01/06/2021 at 17:44, Marcoblanco said: Please guess the wagon Ooooooh likey likey! Been wanting to have a go at couple of these but have no reference material for dimensions rib thicknesses, positioning. ETC. Did you work from line Drawing or guestamations? Also what plasticard thickness did you use? Sorry bout all the questions it looks really good. Gonna have to go get some bogies now and have a good look. Cheers for sharing. Trailrage 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Thanks its not to bad. I always use 40 thou card and use pre cut strip for detail. The measurements ,im told are more or less the same as the JNA falcon wagon but obviously these have a full solebar along the bottom. There's a drawing in John Fox's book for a JNA falcon. I guessed the positioning of the ribs from pics. I used Skits bogies as I already have these but now Gaugemaster do Dapol bogies as a spare which is useful as these might be a better bet. I may attempt the other type next that have the different bogies, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Nice work on the MLA. They are slightly longer than a JNA, but not by much. You only notice when 20 won't fit on a siding! The John Fox book has an IEA in it too, these are largely the same as the MLA, but with different handrails and end details. Should be useful to you Jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Yes Ive seen this, I note the bogies are slightly different [very slightly!} but Il just use the bog standard Axle motion.. Be nice to get to DEMU showcase next year when all this nonsense is over and get some bogies from Skits! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Article in express mag re weathering PTA so I had a splash about. The engineeers train is also coming along. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 IEA 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 New wagon for Grizz!? https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight/2021/03/15/new-from-old-as-wh-davies-secures-major-rolling-stock-contract/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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