tug60069 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 I have a Hornby Bagnall which looks a good candidate for detailing and conversion for my EM layout. Does anyone know if there are any drawings available of the prototype which Hornby based this on? I know Hornby took a lot of liberties in producing this for the Thomas range and used one of their standard 0-4-0T chassis. The prototype (according to Wiki no 3027 - the last built by Bagnall ) is a diesel mechanical and could use the chassis from a Hornby Sentinel. The body looks oversized, particularly in width and could be slimmed down (as done by Tony Wood on a Hornby class 06 in around 2000). After adjusting the size, with new handrails and weathering a passable Bagnall should be possible. Any reasonable suggestions or help welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted March 7, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 7, 2016 Bagnall 3027 still exists, it's at the Foxfield Railway, http://www.foxfieldrailway.co.uk/diesellocomotives.php the one named 'Leys.' They would probably be worth asking in the first instance. The W G Bagnall archives appear to be at the NRM, but it looks like a visit would be required to try to find any drawings, a search on their website produced no results. I would interested to see this conversion, 'oversized body' is understatement of the week so far! HTH regards Moxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpiper Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 This is supposedly the loco used to model the Hornby Bagnell, as you can see much artistic licence was used Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tug60069 Posted March 8, 2016 Author Share Posted March 8, 2016 Thanks Peterpiper and Moxy. I have found online a drawing of a 6 wheel Bagnall and the cab doors are quite tall, so the Hornby one may not be too far out height wise. The photo above showing the man in the flat cap is not conclusive on the height as he is probably at the controls and he may be seated. I'll have to try further research. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 That looks like a possible use of a sentinel bottom half and a modified bagnal top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Here's Wolstanton No.3 at Foxfield, a possible solution to the Hornby Bagnall body? just missing some side doors and a six coupled DM chassis..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tug60069 Posted March 13, 2016 Author Share Posted March 13, 2016 Having viewed many of the photos and videos of the prototype, I have determined approximately some of the key dimensions. I assumed that the buffer spacing followed a standard dimension (23mm in 4mm scale). From front views, this gave me a bonnet width and height and cab width and height. Projecting these onto side views, this gives a length over headstocks of about 60mm, so the prototype is a very small loco. As a comparison, this dimension on the A1 Models kit of the Ruston 48DS is 45mm ( a very small loco), the Sentinel is 85mm and the Hornby Bagnall chassis is 94.5mm. Rather than kitbash/scratchbuild a scale model and chassis of the Bagnall, I plan to cut down the Hornby body shell to fit the Sentinel chassis but maintain the generic 'look' of a Bagnall. I'll get on with this and post some pictures next time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Looking through my library I could only find one decent picture which may be of use for some detail aspects. If you need more at any point I'm not too far away to get some. (Click to enlarge) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpiper Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I've not done much with these yet, although I did get rid of the bright red on one of them 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandhow Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Heres a side view of Bagnall 0-4-0DH number 3208 a sister engine to the one at Foxfield might be of us to you, resident at Chasewater Railway from Oct 2015 . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tug60069 Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 May thanks to Andy Y and Bobandhow for the photos. I will use these to check the sketch drawing I have done of the prototype. Meanwhile progress has been slow on the model but here are a few photos. 1 Bagnall dismantled. Dummy toolboxes cut off bonnet 2 Radiator grill separated from bonnet 3 Cab marked with masking tape ready for cutting down 4 Sentinel chassis with cab control desk removed to reveal DCC chip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tug60069 Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Sorry. First photo was still with dummy tool boxes. Later photo shows after their removal. The gap left will be filled with plasticard/filler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustered Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Another basis for the model? Best wishes Nige 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustered Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Or this one? Nige 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted July 2, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 2, 2017 Another basis for the model? Best wishes Nige Triang have already used this prototype (or something very similar) as the basis for their Dock Shunter model. http://tri-ang.weebly.com/uploads/4/7/4/0/4740720/5134711_orig.jpg HTH Moxy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 The top one even has a Tri-ang Railways number (TR 153) More seriously, the basic bonnet and cab shapes of the Dock shunter R253/Yard Switcher R353 are characteristic of late 1950s Bagnalls, though they went a bit freelance on the bonnet side grilles. It was made to fit over the Tri-ang Motor bogie of the period, so the bonnet migth be a bit wide, though I don't have prototype measurments to confirm that. The older one does appear to have a slightly wider bonnet anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiebrfan Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 May thanks to Andy Y and Bobandhow for the photos. I will use these to check the sketch drawing I have done of the prototype. Meanwhile progress has been slow on the model but here are a few photos. 1 Bagnall dismantled. Dummy toolboxes cut off bonnet 2 Radiator grill separated from bonnet 3 Cab marked with masking tape ready for cutting down 4 Sentinel chassis with cab control desk removed to reveal DCC chip Gday there, I like where your going with this, giving me some ideas. Keep the photos coming, cheers, Regards G. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustered Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 My results so far: Footplate and bonnet shortened Separate handrails Windscreen wipers front and rear Full depth buffer beams Hook couplings Deeper sideframes Air tank Not finished yet but am much happier than the standard model! Sorry for quality of pictures, ipad-tastic. Best wishes Nige 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustered Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Fresh from the paint shop: Some final bits and bobs to do, a little bit of weathering and then into service she goes! Best wishes Nige 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustered Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 Suppose I'd better think of a name! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc435 Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Nicely done! Can I ask if you cut the cab and bonnet down in height. I'm making a cut 'n shut conversion and i am now mocking up the loco. The loco seems very tall andi'm wondering whether to ditch the chassis and go for a SPUD or similar instead. Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustered Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Hi, I didnt reduce the bonnet or cab height but it is a big lump! The bonnet couldnt really be cut down due the the motor etc, although i did shorten it a bit. The cab though could be both reduced in height and width, Which I think would help a lot. I might do that if I do another one. It looks fine with a rake of wagons, but a bit big when next to a 31! Hope this helps Best wishes Nige Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc435 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Thanks Nige. I had similar thoughts to you. When you compare it to a mainline loco its way too big, but on its own, its not too bad. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bustered Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I might just scratchbuild a cab, theres enough dead space where the current one goes to build in a bit of a verandah too! Best wishes Nige Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc435 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 I'm almost tempted to take it to O-16.5......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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