jazz Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, jdb82 said: So due to the topsey-turvey way my mind works, I'm now wondering, if blown up etches from smaller scales don't work, could reduced etches from a larger scale work any better? Having only built 2 kits myself (I keep promising myself I'll do more, but life gets i the way!), I'm not in much of a position to answer it myself! I'm not sure how it would work out that way round. I think any etched holes may be too small. That would be any easy fix though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted September 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 27, 2020 16 hours ago, Ian Major said: Nice work in deed. Some of the holes look a bit on the large side to me. Is this a case of a 7mm kit produced from a blown up 4mm one? Ian. Talking to Jim a few years ago they were drawn for 7mm. I have got a Brit of his reduced to 4mm as did Horsetan (ex of this parish) sounds like it will be a challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 If I recall correctly from Jim Snowdon's build, the errors in this kit were much more fundamental. These were the pre internet days when it was more difficult to check the accuracy of diagrams and the lack of a surviving prototype wouldn't have helped. Now of course it is very different and we have the 82045 as an amazing resource. This is also, I suspect a hand drawn kit from a previous century when expectations were lower and it wasn't unknown for the draughtsman to take small liberties in order to stay within the confines of the available etch. As part of my ,82004 journey I discovered that the original Triang model was redrawn to fit an existing mechanism and is far from being dimensionally correct. One day, three hours after I finally finish ,82004, Bachman will announce a RTR 3MT for around £500! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) All very true doilum. It harks back to my days of my hand drawn kits. Although they did go together much better than most. I stopped producing kits not long before CAD became the norm then things did start to get much better. I did have that problem with spending many hours scratch building a loco then find a kit is available weeks after completing it. Oh hum, that's life. Edited September 28, 2020 by jazz 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio7uk Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I think Jim Harris was more of an artist then an expert at technical drawing - he had the attitude that if it 'looks right it is right' - well that's partly true but it doesn't make his kits go together any better! We've added some bits, and modifications etc and completely re-written instructions so that they could be understood - but I admit it is still not a good kit unfortunately......... The Seven Models range started when my Brother brought the other BR Standards that Jim designed and he found that it was better to re-draw all of them (apart from the Standard 5) - perhaps we should have taken the same direction with the Standard 3 tank.. Jeff Ennis Scorpio Models 5 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Hi Jeff. Thanks for the post. Couldn't agree more with that. I have built a few of the Seven Models and they were fine along with the other ranges in your portfolio. I look forward to building more of them. Regards, Ken 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 At last almost there with the build. I have the buffers to tidy up and fit and Dingham couplings to fit. Now the odd thing is, there is only one safety valve casting supplied in the kit (I did double check the parts list). So just order a pair from Laurie Griffin. Thankfully they can be fitted after painting which I should be able to do tomorrow. Then I can concentrate on Geoffs models again. 12 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Did it sit level and correct first time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Yes, it was spot on. Very happy with hoe it's turned out 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 Hooray, Just the coal/glazing/crew/Dingham couplings/numbers etc and she's finished. 10 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
N15class Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Looks very neat and tidy Ken. What are you doing next? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 12 hours ago, N15class said: Looks very neat and tidy Ken. What are you doing next? Good question Peter. Probably a brake wagon or an LNWT Chopper tank. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 Peter, I meant a brake tender, not a brake wagon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) The Class 3 all ready for the road. Just very subtle weathering to complete it. 82007 was built in 1952 which makes it virtually straight from the shops as the layout is based on that period. Now it's a couple of day finishing the J11 having got the painting on it done today. Then another one to do a small repair job on it due to a bit of a mishap. Following that I can carry on with building more kits. Happy days Having some replacement fencing across the rear garden next week. That will slow me down a bit, I forgot about that. Edited October 1, 2020 by jazz 10 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 51 minutes ago, jazz said: The Class 3 all ready for the road. Just very subtle weathering to complete it. 82007 was built in 1952 which makes it virtually straight from the shops as the layout is based on that period. Now it's a couple of day finishing the J11 having got the painting on it done today. Then another one to do a small repair job on it due to a bit of a mishap. Following that I can carry on with building more kits. Happy days Having some replacement fencing across the rear garden next week. That will slow me down a bit, I forgot about that. Nicely finished. I think 82004 might end up similar. I don't love it enough for the expense and faff of a full Fox lining kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) Doilum, It would look good though. I have to admit, I have considered lining 82007 myself. I don't think I will though. Unless it is applied perfect it would spoil the finish. And I'm not an expert at lining out. Edited October 1, 2020 by jazz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 14 hours ago, jazz said: Doilum, It would look good though. I have to admit, I have considered lining 82007 myself. I don't think I will though. Unless it is applied perfect it would spoil the finish. And I'm not an expert at lining out. I believe that Fox do a bespoke kit with one piece items for the tank sides and bunker. My experience with their bespoke A3 items was a challenge due to the flimsy nature of the very fine material despite using Decofix and Decosol. I got there in the end but was only 95% happy with my work. Although 82004 started in lined black I believe it may have finished in plain green. The black was a tribute to the Triang example that started this hobby circa 1962. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall5 Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 According to the RCTS 82004 was repainted from lined black to lined green in April1957 but, unusually and like 82003, with the old 'cycling lion' crest. Further on it states "lined by 8/58" and "unlined large crest" by 8/62. One photo shows 82004 in lined black dated 22/5/52 whilst another shows it in unlined green with the large size post 1956 crest on 17/3/62. Ray. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 6 hours ago, Marshall5 said: According to the RCTS 82004 was repainted from lined black to lined green in April1957 but, unusually and like 82003, with the old 'cycling lion' crest. Further on it states "lined by 8/58" and "unlined large crest" by 8/62. One photo shows 82004 in lined black dated 22/5/52 whilst another shows it in unlined green with the large size post 1956 crest on 17/3/62. Ray. Thanks. My copy was out in the workshop so I couldn't check the dates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted October 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2020 On 30/09/2020 at 17:39, jazz said: LNWT Chopper tank. Which kit are you building Ken, there are several out there now? I have one on my to do list but haven't as yet decided which kit (and I've got a long to do list!). Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share Posted October 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Argos said: Which kit are you building Ken, there are several out there now? I have one on my to do list but haven't as yet decided which kit (and I've got a long to do list!). Thanks Hi. It's the Zero Zephyrs (a.b.s) one. I may be doing my GWR 517 class next. A Mitchell Design kit now the motor/gearbox has arrived. Then the Chopper will follow that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Argos Posted October 2, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 2, 2020 Thanks Ken, I shall look forward to that build. I'll be sure not blink in case I miss it! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Harper Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Apologies for the Highjack Ken Reply for Doilum re Fox Transfer packs. In my experience the specific lining packs still need to be sliced up into manageable sections to make them fit correctly. I don't bother with them now and prefer to use the 'straight lining' and 'corner packs' to get a good fit for the particular loco. Regards Sandy These were both done as per above. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doilum Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, Sandy Harper said: Apologies for the Highjack Ken Reply for Doilum re Fox Transfer packs. In my experience the specific lining packs still need to be sliced up into manageable sections to make them fit correctly. I don't bother with them now and prefer to use the 'straight lining' and 'corner packs' to get a good fit for the particular loco. Regards Sandy These were both done as per above. Yes I ended up cutting them but they still had a mind of the their own. Wish I could remember whose lining I used for Wild Swan about twenty years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazz Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 No problem there Sandy, always pleased to see your work. Onwards with mine, it's the Mitchell Design from JLTRT stable. Bought off the auction site. It's a delightful kit to build and will be stable mate to my other one numbered 848. This one will have the Belpaire firebox and numbered 1162. 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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