zephyrman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 The IWR crane Match Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Now for coal trains. E1's were ordered for the longer trains as these trains were often 20 wagons or more. Some often had two or more LSWR road vans and or the 20T van. The wagons were either 5 plank ex LBSCR converted round end wagons (available from Cambrian) or of the later 13T ex SR "Medina Wharf " wagons with double doors atop the side door (Also Cambrian). Some wagons were also Designated MP (Motive Power Coal) ME (Mechanical Engineers) And Ds for Departmental or Es for Engineering ( Civil?). Some carried domestic or loco coal. Some carried loco ash. First pic shows such at Ventnor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 These are actually the ex IWR ballast 4 plank rebuilds but show the Es designation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 This view shows an E1 at Shanklin with a brake van in the consist. This could have been to split the train for local coal merchants such as those at Brading, Cowes etc or for local Gas works. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 (edited) Good Pictures, Some details: The Ex IWR 4 plank Ballast Wagons referred to are not IWR, (Isle of Wight Railway) they were Ex SECR and an early SR import. Originally they were contractors wagons built for Price and Reeves for use on works relating to the LCDR and SER merger, then taken over by the SECR on completion. They were requisitioned for WD service in WW1. on return they were stored at Ashford until sent to the IOW. After steam ended only one was retained for any length of time (62888, pictured, now preserved), a second similar vehicle comprising an IWC underframe with the SECR bodywork, and eight post steam conversions using LBSC open wagon underfames with SECR bodywork (four of these have been preserved, three of which have been returned to their original 5 plank open bodywork). Some of the LBSC vans were as stated used for PLA traffic on passenger trains, a few of these later being specifically designated for Fish traffic following customer complaints about smelly luggage. This carried the unique Island livery. An LBSC van of the correct type is preserved on the Island however this is not an original IOW vehicle. One side is lettered as a standard van, the other with the Fish markings. The picture showing the coal train at Shanklin has the train shunting into the Gas Works siding, it would appear to be collecting empties, once these are clear the two loaded wagons will likely take their place. Pete Edited August 12, 2016 by IWCR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 Ah thanks for the detail Pete. I Remembered somwthingbto do with the SECR but I though it was unusual for SECR sourced wagons. Am I right that the ex IWC did not retain its IWC axle boxes after rebuild or does it still retain them? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chaz Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 A fascinating topic which I have just discovered. I have a fondness for the Island's railways which dates back to family holidays in the late fifties. Very nice to see so many interesting photos and knowledgeable notes - keep it up lads! I had to give myself a severe talking-to when I saw the Connoisseur 7mm O2 - a temptation which I must resist - too much other stuff on the go. Chaz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fat Controller Posted August 12, 2016 Share Posted August 12, 2016 If you 'distressed' some model wagons to represent those, people would say you were overdoing things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted August 13, 2016 Share Posted August 13, 2016 The ex IWC wagon did retain its axleboxes, unfortunately this vehicle wasnt preserved. The ex IWC wagon preserved is the crane match, this was recorded as ex LSWR, it currently has LBSC boxes, it was heavily rebuilt at least once in SR times and may not be the IWC original, however the frame construction is very different from the LBSC vehicles which would have been the likely source of any replacement.. The Price & Reeves wagons originally had grease boxes, these post WW2 were replaced with LBSC No7 oilboxes. Note: the axle length is different from LBSC standards hence solebar spacing is different and LBSC wheelsets could not be used when the boxes were changed. The wheelsets in 62888 are actually stamped GWR with 1920's dates, presumably the best fit available at the time. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Pete Is the Royal Daylight tank wagon in the field at Havenstreet a tank that served on the Island or is it one from the mainland? Am I right there were three of these on the Island? Thanks Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Pregrouping Freight. FYNR ex opens converted to covered opens Mixture of IWC and IWR wagons 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 The preserved "Royal Daylight" wagon is not an Island original but of a similar type. Actual numbers unknown but at least two. these carried Naptha (Paraffin) Known depots at Cowes, Newport, Ryde St Johns, Freshwater & Ventnor West, loaded traffic would have originated from St Helens. The FYN covered open is in fact a livestock wagon, many similar mainland conversions were carried out in WW1 for military traffic of Horses. The second photo shows one alongside the Cattle Dock at Freshwater. The last photo shows Ex GER vans arriving at St Helens for the Central, the full version of this photo has another van behind the loco of similar type but with additional external planking over the bracing timbers, a grounded body matching this has recently arrived at Havenstreet from Arreton on the Island and is a potential restoration. The FYN goods brake shown is an ex LBSC Stroudley vehicle, the IWC had at least three of these, one of which was sold to the FYN and two being rebuilt as larger Road Van type vehicles. A grounded body in original condition still exists on the Island in private use, possibly the ex FYN vehicle though some details suggest not and a similar grounded body was located at a Freshwater branch station during Southern times. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Pregrouping Freight. FYNR ex opens converted to covered opens Mixture of IWC and IWR wagons 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 I have these ex wessex wagons Blue circle cement wagons up for grabs. I have 2 runs of 2 different numbers but unfortunately they made them without end doors. I converted these to end doors and hinges and with strapping. They hàve 3 link couplings but could easily go back to tension locks. There are 8 wagons in total all different numbers. Make a nice rake for an Island layout. PM me and make me a near enough offer. Looking for £11 each. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephyrman Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Vectis and Portland Cement PO wagons. Vectis wagon livery was grey, Portland Cement/Blue Circle were Yellow. The Portland Cement were ex Vectis Wagons and the Vectis wagons were made/refurbushed from old dumb buffered wagons, probably ex IWC/IWR seen when there were sidings at little London. There were 8 and five planks. The 8 planks being the higher numbers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
creweboy Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 In BR Steam days, it appears only open wagons were used, but I recently saw a video showing one of the LBSC vans in the dock siding at Sandown along with a SR PMV? The vans are well photographed but all appear to carry departmental numbers in the 1950/60, would anyone know if they were actiually used (even in service use) away from the sidings they usually appear photograph in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted August 17, 2016 Share Posted August 17, 2016 In 1932 there were 48 vans in use, much of the traffic was then lost due to the decision to switch general goods arrivals from St Helens quay to Pickfords wharf at Cowes for onward road delivery As of 1948 twenty one covered vans remained in Revenue traffic with a further five in departmental use. Most of the revenue vans were withdrawn after the Sandown Newport line closure in 1956, after this time there would have been very little van traffic left. A small number would have survived until goods traffic ceased in 1966, but these would have seen very little use in later years, A number of departmental vans lasted into 1967. The SR PMV,s arrived in the 50's and were well used until the end, four were retained in Stores use beyond this and two were used at the closed Newport station for Parcel Storage. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overner Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) There was a kit for the brake van used in the earlier weed killing train. It was an ex MR van the IWR used if your doing SR. The IWR water tanks were very unusuall in profile!!! And had several chassis over the years. For the odd shaped one, please do not laugh but due to the wierd profile, the only think close was a sweetex sweetner dispenser which I cut into sections!!!!! It is slighty tapered too so I had to sort that. But by cutting ito into quarters for the top, then the bottom tapered bit was sectioned into quarters again. The chassis I used an IWR chassis from Smallbrook Studios I think. For the private owner Royal daylight wagons on the Island I modified a mainland tank wagon. I think the tank wagons and Isle of Wight cranes have taken the longest and are the hardest to build. The next hardest are the SECR composites!!! The ex Midland Railway brake van was purchased by the IWCR, not the IWR, in 1911 and ran, as purchased until 1930 when it was rebuilt by the SR with a second veranda and acquired SR diagram no 1588. Its IWC running number was 5 and it was renumbered as SR 56037. The van can be modeled in 4 or 7mm from the Slaters kit. Edited August 21, 2016 by Overner 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 A wealth of information in those photo's Zephyrman, thanks for taking the trouble to post them. As for the full brake, I have a kit of unknown heritage with a similar layout and length, would need to modify the roof profile, but not a difficult job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overner Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I found a couple of better images than those posted by Zephyrman - hope they're useful. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinH Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Has anyone got a photo of the call wharf at Freshwater. Was there an actual wharf or was domestic coal piled on the ground as is seen in photos at Ventor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Morgan Posted September 7, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 7, 2016 It can be partially seen in a photo I have (I will try to post it this evening). Rather than a single 'wharf', there were a collection of covered platforms and coal bins (one of which looks like an old wagon body with the curved ends) along Jollife's Siding. There was also a large brick shed with a large sign on the roof declaring 'Freshwater Coal Depot'. A small part of this shed still stands in the garden centre, and used as their 'Xmas Barn'. Two coal merchants used the yard, one of which (Honnor & Jeffrey) later acquired the site and built the garden centre there. Hope this helps, or is of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinH Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 thanks Ian. Look forward to seeing photo. Here at Stafford we have an EM gauge layout of Freshwater that was built by one of our members many years ago. You may have seen it as a layout under development at our show last February. We have not been able to determine what the coal arrangements were so your help is appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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