RMweb Gold highpeakman Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2021 Is it likely the up diveunder line will be brought into operation before the down line is installed or will the up be installed and the diveunder up and down lines commence operation together? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, highpeakman said: Is it likely the up diveunder line will be brought into operation before the down line is installed or will the up be installed and the diveunder up and down lines commence operation together? I was thinking that. If they bring that first line into operation first, then that point can be skewed over for use to bring the other line into operation instead of having two points to bring both into use at the same time. Kev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 38 minutes ago, melmerby said: At what point to the track clips get pushed into place? I've watched intently but it seems to have passed me by! That is a good question. This may help https://www.pandrol.com/product/clip-driver-cd200-iq/ I have seen those hand operated machines in the link on the site before but never took a lot of notice or knowingly photographed them. I can only assume the clips are done after the track laying machine has retreated or they follow way behind as laying takes place. I didn't notice any at the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Richard E said: Just a handful from me today. A new haul road is being built alongside the brook and in front of where the offices were. As far as I know it is an access road for the Environment Agency which joins up with Network Rail's access road near to where Brook Drain goes across the railway between the dive under and Hurn Road. The small track between the two fields that have the horses in at Hurn Road will be extended further southwards then split between the EA and NR. Both companies will have their own access gates at the point of the split. This also suggests to me that there may never be any public access to the east side (railway side) of the new Brook Drain. Whether public access will be possible down the old track from Hurn Road to near the retention pond remains uncertain. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 46 minutes ago, highpeakman said: Is it likely the up diveunder line will be brought into operation before the down line is installed or will the up be installed and the diveunder up and down lines commence operation together? 26 minutes ago, SHMD said: I was thinking that. If they bring that first line into operation first, then that point can be skewed over for use to bring the other line into operation instead of having two points to bring both into use at the same time. Kev. Both being brought into use together is the plan. The site is not due to be handed over to Network Rail until 1st November, then there will be driver training, so it is unlikely so see trains in service through the dive under this year. If someone knows differently I stand to be corrected. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, melmerby said: At what point to the track clips get pushed into place? I've watched intently but it seems to have passed me by! Hi, I don't think those machines have the automatic clipping system fitted. I think it will be done later on with a little machine that fits sits over the rail and pushes the clips in and is pushed along by an operator. Simon 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40F S & T Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Hi I remember my time in the late 50's. Being S & T if the section was track circuited we was the last to finish. We had to manually drill two holes at the end of each rail to bond them. The job was done what ever the weather. If you started wet you finished wet. You was there until the job was complete. How things as changed. As I said at the beginning Werrington was my only job on the main line. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, St. Simon said: Hi, I don't think those machines have the automatic clipping system fitted. I think it will be done later on with a little machine that fits sits over the rail and pushes the clips in and is pushed along by an operator. Simon When the Waverly route was being laid, they clipped every 5th sleeper initially the used the hand operated machines to do the rest before the ballasting got done. There was film of the process around at the time. As farcas I know it all needs to be clipped before tamping starts. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, St. Simon said: Hi, I don't think those machines have the automatic clipping system fitted. I think it will be done later on with a little machine that fits sits over the rail and pushes the clips in and is pushed along by an operator. Simon 33 minutes ago, jamie92208 said: When the Waverly route was being laid, they clipped every 5th sleeper initially the used the hand operated machines to do the rest before the ballasting got done. There was film of the process around at the time. As farcas I know it all needs to be clipped before tamping starts. Jamie The clips are put in afterwards by a hand machine that follows the track laying machine. Now, why didn't I spot that and video it? Here is a photo showing it https://www.pandrol.com/product/clip-driver-cd200-iq/ Edited July 12, 2021 by Donington Road 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 12, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Donington Road said: That is a good question. This may help https://www.pandrol.com/product/clip-driver-cd200-iq/ I have seen those hand operated machines in the link on the site before but never took a lot of notice or knowingly photographed them. I can only assume the clips are done after the track laying machine has retreated or they follow way behind as laying takes place. I didn't notice any at the weekend. I was wondering whether there would be a tendency for the rail to move under load unless it was at least partly clipped. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, St. Simon said: Hi, I don't think those machines have the automatic clipping system fitted. I think it will be done later on with a little machine that fits sits over the rail and pushes the clips in and is pushed along by an operator. Simon 1 hour ago, Donington Road said: The clips are put in afterwards by a hand machine that follows the track laying machine. Now, why didn't I spot that and video it? Here is a photo showing it https://www.pandrol.com/product/clip-driver-cd200-iq/ 1 hour ago, melmerby said: I was wondering whether there would be a tendency for the rail to move under load unless it was at least partly clipped. I stand corrected. The hand machine does do some clips but there is also a device on the blue wagon pushing the clips in. Have a look at Trackside ECML's video at 5.09 minutes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EezlYAQU280 Look in the bottom left and you will see a hydraulic pusher plate pushing the clips in. Maybe the hand machine is to do the ones that got missed after they had been knocked out. I even videoed the clips being pushed in (without noticing what I had done). It wasn't a close up and I didn't bother including the video clip as it was just a general shot of nothing in particular. Edited July 12, 2021 by Donington Road 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggzuk Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Are these Pandrol Fastclip FC type ? Screen grab from your 11th July top down video https://www.pandrol.com/product/fastclip-fc/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 From the publicity you linked to: "whilst also preventing incorrect use of the machine" Tempting fate or what? I must admit that it seemed unlikely to me that a hand driven machine would be used for thousands and thousands of clips. Thanks for the explanations. Jonathan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 Screen grab from the 11th July video (thanks Mick) shows the clips have been pushed into place by the time the sleeper wagons reach them. Logical really as you would otherwise suffer gauge spread and a derailment. You can also see a couple that are not pushed in so they would be done later on. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Jaggzuk said: Are these Pandrol Fastclip FC type ? Screen grab from your 11th July top down video https://www.pandrol.com/product/fastclip-fc/ What do you think they are Jagguk? I am only the videographer, making bold statements about the intricacies of railway operations has got me in a right old muddle lately, as witnessed in the last few posts. I'll put it down to the recent excitement of unusual equipment coming to our local area. I think the above question is a safe one to answer to which I declare, it looks like the one in the picture below! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, corneliuslundie said: From the publicity you linked to: "whilst also preventing incorrect use of the machine" Tempting fate or what? I must admit that it seemed unlikely to me that a hand driven machine would be used for thousands and thousands of clips. Thanks for the explanations. Jonathan I know, talking to Trackside ECML last night we were discussing the same. It became apparent that some clips get missed being fixed, some get knocked off the sleeper and so on. So the conclusion was that the hand machine was the backup to fix those clips not done by the machine. It was then that I went looking for the operation on the machine. There it was in his video as plain as day. I went back to my video clips and sure enough there it was as well albeit from a long distance and in shadow, not being a good video clip it didn't make the final version. It is a bit embarrassing really that such an essential part of the operation has been totally missed on my part. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Richard E said: Screen grab from the 11th July video (thanks Mick) shows the clips have been pushed into place by the time the sleeper wagons reach them. Logical really as you would otherwise suffer gauge spread and a derailment. You can also see a couple that are not pushed in so they would be done later on. It is time I calmed down Richard. I watch my video clips over and over whist putting them together, rendering and publishing and still miss the obvious. How many times did I look at that end video clip and notice that those clips were holding the rail but didn't connect the fixing of them with the main machine. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 How about a 4 mm version please? Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 37 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said: How about a 4 mm version please? Jonathan It would actually make an interesting diaorama with the sleeper transfer carraige operating back and forth. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, Donington Road said: It would actually make an interesting diaorama with the sleeper transfer carraige operating back and forth. It's a wierd looking thing like 4 legged monster, like a cross between Thunderbirds and War of the Worlds. Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 17 hours ago, Donington Road said: I stand corrected. The hand machine does do some clips but there is also a device on the blue wagon pushing the clips in. Have a look at Trackside ECML's video at 5.09 minutes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EezlYAQU280 Look in the bottom left and you will see a hydraulic pusher plate pushing the clips in. Maybe the hand machine is to do the ones that got missed after they had been knocked out. I even videoed the clips being pushed in (without noticing what I had done). It wasn't a close up and I didn't bother including the video clip as it was just a general shot of nothing in particular. Thanks for the link about the clip pusher. I was looking at the video on a large screen and I managed to miss it first time around! Once seen it becomes obvious. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Donington Road said: It would actually make an interesting diaorama with the sleeper transfer carraige operating back and forth. I hadn't noticed until the close ups that it has a driver. I assumed it was automatic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, melmerby said: I hadn't noticed until the close ups that it has a driver. I assumed it was automatic. A bone shaking ride too and hardly first class comfort. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 hours ago, corneliuslundie said: How about a 4 mm version please? Jonathan A word to Accurascale? DCC sound fitted and fully operational of course! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggzuk Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Donington Road said: A bone shaking ride too and hardly first class comfort. There are hidden operators everywhere! The "driver" following the orange line The sleeper delivery unit, has a driver Then this person underneath, I guess has somehting to do with the rail placement. Then there are the opertaive walking along the side with remote controls 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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