Donington Road Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 so the houses on Hurn Lane by the crossing are going? or just the ones by the dual carriageway? No, they are staying, see below. I'll post the engineering drawings in a two seperate posts as the file size is quite large. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 (edited) Werrington Junction engineering drawings PART 1 Werrington Junction engineering drawings PART 2 edit: oh well they came out in one post instead of two Edited January 28, 2018 by Donington Road Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Werrington Junction engineering drawings PART 1 werrington junction plans 2017 part 1.pdf Werrington Junction engineering drawings PART 2 werrington junction plans 2017 part 2.pdf edit: oh well they came out in one post instead of two Do you have permission to publish those drawings? Anything revision XXX.1 has not usually been signed off - note the blank signature boxes - and has therefore not been officially issued. I will be making enquiries in the morning... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted January 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2018 Do you have permission to publish those drawings? Anything revision XXX.1 has not usually been signed off - note the blank signature boxes - and has therefore not been officially issued. I will be making enquiries in the morning... I'm sure I've seen those before, they formed part of the planning application in the public domain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Do you have permission to publish those drawings? Anything revision XXX.1 has not usually been signed off - note the blank signature boxes - and has therefore not been officially issued. I will be making enquiries in the morning... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Well it would appear that it is Network Rail that put them in the public domain. They should not have, as those drawings are basically a 'work in progress', not signed off and therefore could be subject to change, with all the implications that has if someone tries to use them as a reference. However whats done is done... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted January 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) Well it would appear that it is Network Rail that put them in the public domain. They should not have, as those drawings are basically a 'work in progress', not signed off and therefore could be subject to change, with all the implications that has if someone tries to use them as a reference. However whats done is done... I would have thought that if you were part of the project then you would only work on drawings and specs provided by network rail rather than something pulled from the internet. There is also the issue of how you actually apply for planning and consult with Joe public if you don't publish details of proposals. Surely any final documents can't be produced until this procedure is completed. Edited January 30, 2018 by chris p bacon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I would have thought that if you were part of the project then you would only work on drawings and specs provided by network rail rather than something pulled from the internet. There is also the issue of how you actually apply for planning and consult with Joe public if you don't publish details of proposals. Surely any final documents can't be produced until this procedure is completed. Indeed that is what someone working on the project would do. However these drawings are now in the public domain and available to anyone, working on the project or otherwise. You will also notice that this drawing has had previous issues A01 and A02, which may well have been published as part of the procedure. The next one to be published should be a fully signed off A03, not an unsigned A03.1 which is a work in progress and should be for internal circulation only, for information only. It could well be for example that there is some land shown as potentially being compulsory purchased, that subsequently is engineered out. It could cause unnecessary concern to the owner of that land if that was the case and they saw these drawings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted January 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2018 Indeed that is what someone working on the project would do. However these drawings are now in the public domain and available to anyone, working on the project or otherwise. You will also notice that this drawing has had previous issues A01 and A02, which may well have been published as part of the procedure. The next one to be published should be a fully signed off A03, not an unsigned A03.1 which is a work in progress and should be for internal circulation only, for information only. It could well be for example that there is some land shown as potentially being compulsory purchased, that subsequently is engineered out. It could cause unnecessary concern to the owner of that land if that was the case and they saw these drawings. But that is the very nature of public planning. I've yet to submit a planning application that doesn't have revisions to drawings where I try and meet others expectations, so again having several versions is part of the process. The only ones that matter are the final ones with a signed approval. Re-compulsory purchase. Any owners of land that are affected have by statute to be informed by the applicant (NR) well in advance of any public application, none of this would come as a suprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggzuk Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) I'm sure I've seen those before, they formed part of the planning application in the public domain. Here are the links to the planning drawing files from Network Rail's own website, link at the bottom of page: https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/lne-and-em/east-coast-mainline-route-upgrade/werrington-grade-separation/ The link will take you to here and in Section NR11 you can find all the detailed "planning" drawings http://archive.nr.co.uk/browseDirectory.aspx?root=&dir=%5cImprovements%5cWerrington%20Grade%20Separation%20application%20documents These are Outline Design drawings and certainly not "Fit for Construction" drawings. So they may well be subject to change at Detailed Design stage. In Network Rail Standard NR/L2/INI/EDT/CP0091 - Specification for Computer Aided Design the revision status are as follows: Revision # - Description - GRIP stage - Issue status P01, P02 etc - Preliminary, Feasibility, Proposal or Option - GRIP 1, 2, 3 - For Information A01, A02 etc - Outline design or ‘Form A’ - GRIP 4 - For Approval B01, B02 etc - Detailed design or ‘Form B’ GRIP 5 - For Approval C01, C02 etc - Construction and installation GRIP 6 - For Construction Z01, Z02 etc - As Built or As Installed - GRIP 6 - As Built Edited January 30, 2018 by Jaggzuk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium blackpete Posted February 21, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2018 In this Tuesday's Lincolnshire Free Press (the local paper for Spalding), the Spalding and Peterborough Transport Forum say that work on the Grade Separation could start later this year, and be completed in 2020. All good so far. However, the chairman goes on to say: “We reckon the railway crossing barriers are going to be down 24 minutes in every hour, and don’t forget that’s going through the night as well. It’s going to be Tallington again.” To put this in context, today (Wednesday), there has been 26 passenger workings, and 22 freight services (total 48 trains). Assuming the barriers are down for 4 mins per train, that equates to 192 mins, or 8 mins per hour. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Update: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 NR state on their website that (whilst there are no mandated timescales for SoS decisions) they hope for a decision by the Autumn 2018. Fingers crossed..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Sometimes I think I will see HS2 trains arrive into Birmingham before I see this junction finished 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted March 18, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 18, 2018 NR state on their website that (whilst there are no mandated timescales for SoS decisions) they hope for a decision by the Autumn 2018. Fingers crossed.....Does Uncle Roger's law of never trusting a date that includes a season apply to an SoS decision. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Some might like the first ten minutes of this cab ride from Peterborough through Werrington Junction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4_gX8NxxLw 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdlcs Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Update: scan0001.jpg In reference to paragraph 6: Assuming TYPE 3 railway diesel engines are 37s, what TYPE 2s are running around (in that area) spreading exhaust polution (sic)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 In reference to paragraph 6: Assuming TYPE 3 railway diesel engines are 37s, what TYPE 2s are running around (in that area) spreading exhaust polution (sic)? A Hastings DEMU every ten years or so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 In reference to paragraph 6: Assuming TYPE 3 railway diesel engines are 37s, what TYPE 2s are running around (in that area) spreading exhaust polution (sic)? The Type 2 and Type 3 refer to different types of pollutant from diesel exhaust, and not the historical BR loco classifications. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 In reference to paragraph 6: Assuming TYPE 3 railway diesel engines are 37s, what TYPE 2s are running around (in that area) spreading exhaust polution (sic)? There are plenty of 'tractors' around muck spreading and the 'rats' are confined to Werrington Brook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted April 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) In reference to paragraph 6: Assuming TYPE 3 railway diesel engines are 37s, what TYPE 2s are running around (in that area) spreading exhaust polution (sic)? I suspect that the author is talking about Tier 2 and Tier 3 emissions standards though the idea of lots of 37's and resurrected 25's does sound appealing, Jamie Edited April 11, 2018 by jamie92208 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Some might like the first ten minutes of this cab ride from Peterborough through Werrington Junction. ... Interesting video. Because most of the ECML freight has been diverted via Lincoln (or so I gather from my last visit to the junction) it's much more difficult now to get movies of the traffic through the site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Interesting video. Because most of the ECML freight has been diverted via Lincoln (or so I gather from my last visit to the junction) it's much more difficult now to get movies of the traffic through the site. Yes, the GNGE Joint Line Upgrade was completed a year ahead of schedule, so that should have been the case since last year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donington Road Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Interesting video. Because most of the ECML freight has been diverted via Lincoln (or so I gather from my last visit to the junction) it's much more difficult now to get movies of the traffic through the site. Having travelled the line regularly in the late 60's and early 70's I was astounded by the amount of uncontrolled vegetation that now prevails throughout the whole journey. From Peterborugh to Werrington Junction it is a disgrace, especially around New England yards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 most of the railway around Peterborough is really overgrown sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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