stevejjjexcov Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) Can anyone help? I have a jidenco twin tank wagon I built 10ish years ago but cant find any white letters of the right size or type face. Has anyone got any ideas. I am no good at hand painting letters so waterslide or as a last resort rubdowns would be best thanks for any help Steve Edited April 18, 2016 by stevejjjexcov 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 It might be worth having a trawl through here:- http://www.powsides.co.uk/ They do about a thousand different transfers for PO wagons. John Isherwood might also be able to help; he's already done transfers for quite a lot of older types of tank wagons:- http://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevejjjexcov Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Thanks for the info Fat Controller I will look this evening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggy1165 Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) If you're stuck try the HMRS lettering for private owner wagons. If all you want to put on is APOC then it should be easy enough, as they do white and white shaded black letters in a variety of sizes. I would recommend the Methfix version. OK, so you have to mix meths with water, but you will find that once the backing paper comes away the resultant transfer is almost infinitely adjustable, with reasonable care. You can buy either them or the Pressfix version via the HMRS site. BTW Powsides are suffering from bereavements and anything ordered from there is currently subject to delay, as their site explains. Edited April 18, 2016 by Poggy1165 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevejjjexcov Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Thanks poggy I have looked at them before but the type face seems wrong. I might be a able to use A,O,P but C don't look right so will keep looking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 It might be worth having a trawl through here:- http://www.powsides.co.uk/ They do about a thousand different transfers for PO wagons. John Isherwood might also be able to help; he's already done transfers for quite a lot of older types of tank wagons:- http://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm Sorry - a bit early for my BR steam / early diesel era. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbduck Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 I have a similar problem, only my kit is the SE Finecast version. As a result, I'm also looking for a set of transfers appropriate to the APOC tank wagon during the BR transition period (mid-late 1950s to early 1960s. Did you eventually find the transfers for this distinctive design of wagon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) The Anglo Persian Oil Company took over British Petroleum Ltd. in 1919 and the whole business was grouped for marketing purposes under the Shellmex & BP banner in 1932 with all wagons except Oakbank Oil crude oil tanks being rebranded in fairly short order. In Petroleum Railtank Wagons of Britain, R. Tourret states that APOC changed its name to the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company in 1935 but that all APOC wagons had been rebranded before that and none ever carried AIOC markings. The oft-modelled twin tankers dated from 1927 and there appear to have been no more a half-dozen built, so their intended use was likely to have been fairly specialised. Tourett states (and the accompanying Plate 90 confirms) that they were fitted with steam heating coils which defines them as "Class B" along with a suggestion that they were intended to carry lubricants, the twin tanks permitting carriage of two different grades in a single vehicle. They may therefore have been finished in red oxide or black when new (interpreting which from the official photo in the book is difficult) but would probably have been black with normal Shell-BP white markings by BR days, always assuming they lasted that long. Any pointers to a B.R era photo would be gratefully welcomed. John Ps. Very nice job, OP Edited December 4, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 It (there may only have been one according to one very knowledgeable friend) ended its days as Lubricant Producers no. 120. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/apoctwin Note the models are incorrect in the way the barrel is portrayed. Each barrel on the original is identical, therefore one end is put on "the other way around" which means the line of rivets for the overlap of the barrel shows only on the left hand barrel whichever side it is viewed from. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) It (there may only have been one according to one very knowledgeable friend) ended its days as Lubricant Producers no. 120. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/apoctwin Note the models are incorrect in the way the barrel is portrayed. Each barrel on the original is identical, therefore one end is put on "the other way around" which means the line of rivets for the overlap of the barrel shows only on the left hand barrel whichever side it is viewed from. Paul Your friend may well be correct; all the photos I've ever seen are of the same wagon, APOC 1581 and Tourret only refers to "probably another four or five". Interesting to see the C of APOC strongly "burning through" whatever finish was applied over it. The rivet error on models is presumably made because it appears that way in the Roche drawing. John Edited December 4, 2016 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) omis The rivet error on models is presumably made because it appears that way in the Roche drawing. John You aren't trying to suggest that a Roche drawing might have errors?? I must rebuild mine (the old Wills kit bought when it was still current), which has come unstuck and been it bits for years..... IIRC it came with transfers (No idea if the correct typeface) and they solved the tank rivet problem by not having any! EDIT There's one here (it's not K's but the seller does admit to not being certain). The two handwheels on top of the tanks are missing, but fixing them so that they stay put is a problem. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keyser-K-s-whitemetal-00-tanker-wagon-/132020684017?hash=item1ebd0bc4f1:g:WwUAAOSwo4pYQGvA Edited December 5, 2016 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 So does anyone know where the wagon(s) actually worked? It's very different and attractive, and any vaguely plausible excuse will do. (What I do know is that the story of the many UK based lubricant producers is long, tangled and complex, by an old friend recently retired from one of the best known.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 6, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2016 Pure guess, but shipbuilders and naval dockyards would have been large-scale users of heavy lubricants. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 When did these wagons first appear ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 See post 9. It or they appeared in 1927 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted June 27, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27, 2018 Pendon apparently has a model of it as 1581. It was built from the Wills kit. A photo of the completed model appears in Model Railway Constructor 1975 August Page 324. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Pendon apparently has a model of it as 1581. It was built from the Wills kit. A photo of the completed model appears in Model Railway Constructor 1975 August Page 324. 1581 is the only known running number as an APOC tank - a very familiar official when it was new. The one we measured was 1581. The Wills kit is well known, and like other kits of it and at least one drawing the tank rivetting is wrong - a single sheet formed the barrel, there was only one line of horizontal rivets and as the two tanks are mirror images this line shows on only one barrel when seen from the side. And no, our drawings are not available Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevejjjexcov Posted June 27, 2018 Author Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) Hi all thanks for the info. Still ain't found any letters for sides, and the tank rivits will stay wrong!! I had enough trouble with it the first time round lol All the best Steve Edited June 27, 2018 by stevejjjexcov Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Hi all thanks for the info. Still ain't found any letters for sides, and the tank rivits will stay wrong!! I had enough trouble with it the first time round lol All the best Steve http://www.powsides.co.uk/www.powsides.co.uk/info.php?p=4&pid=791160&ack=9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGT1972 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 It would seem there were at least two of the twin tanks. 1581 became Lubricant Producers 120 and was a regular visitor to the Baltic Oil Works in Newport operated by Henry Morris & Co. it actually ended up as a static store there until it was sadly cut up about 2012. Several photos exist from 1965 of LP120 at Newport in traffic but one dated May 1966 shows identical twin tank LP122 (complete with overhead electrification plates!) at the works. One wonders if LP121 was also one of these designs? Hope that helps? Hywel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 It would seem there were at least two of the twin tanks. 1581 became Lubricant Producers 120 and was a regular visitor to the Baltic Oil Works in Newport operated by Henry Morris & Co. it actually ended up as a static store there until it was sadly cut up about 2012. Several photos exist from 1965 of LP120 at Newport in traffic but one dated May 1966 shows identical twin tank LP122 (complete with overhead electrification plates!) at the works. One wonders if LP121 was also one of these designs? Hope that helps? Hywel Any chance of posting the whereabouts of the photos of LP120 & LP122, please? I have one of these kits to build in 1960s condition. Thanks in anticipation, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGT1972 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hi John - I've just checked my notes and unfortunately the date came from a photograph I found on the web but I have no further details. The photo showed Bullied Pacifics being cut up at Buttigieg's yard, Newport, which was adjacent to the Morris works and LP122 (and shots of LP120) appear in the background. A search for 'Buttigiegs' might prove fruitful. The twin tanks and Morris' own Cambrian-built tanks frequently appear in the background of loco scrapping pictures taken at that yard. I also have a note of LP122 in photos dated 1967 and October 1968 so it was a regular at the oil works. It's not much to go on but hopefully useful for your modelling? Hywel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hi John - I've just checked my notes and unfortunately the date came from a photograph I found on the web but I have no further details. The photo showed Bullied Pacifics being cut up at Buttigieg's yard, Newport, which was adjacent to the Morris works and LP122 (and shots of LP120) appear in the background. A search for 'Buttigiegs' might prove fruitful. The twin tanks and Morris' own Cambrian-built tanks frequently appear in the background of loco scrapping pictures taken at that yard. I also have a note of LP122 in photos dated 1967 and October 1968 so it was a regular at the oil works. It's not much to go on but hopefully useful for your modelling? Hywel Hywel, Weren't photos of the twin-tanks included in that collection of wagon photos that Brian Rolley posted last year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HGT1972 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hi Brian, I don't recall one...but I didn't see them all...over to Brian R! I always felt it a shame that LP120 at Morris' never made it to preservation given its late survival. This was how it looked in 1989 with the two ex-Morris tanks and the other Lubricant Producers former Shell BP tank...and Paul B has a lot of nice close up shots too. Hywel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hi all, LP122 appears here - https://flic.kr/p/F4hrqG. I always intended to build one of these for Roath; a project to dust off sometime. Cheers, Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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