RMweb Gold 4630 Posted September 13, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 hours ago, AndrewT said: From old photos and maps, I knew there were some sidings between the LNWR Huddersfield-Leeds line and the Leeds 'new' Line, as well as a few nearer to the houses at Heaton Lodge itself, but on all the photos I've ever seen - they were empty. Anyone know what their purpose was? I do know that roughly where the arrow-head on the above map is on the RH side after the word 'Leeds' - there was a very small drift mine (actually a bit nearer the (blue) running lines. Might have been something to do with that perhaps? I can't specifically answer your question, but I bought this book at expoEM at Wakefield on 7th September that covers this stretch of the line. The book doesn't mention the purpose of the sidings but, in Appendix 5 does say that 'Heaton Lodge Sidings closed on 1st October 1984'. It's an interesting book and well worth the £19.95 cover price IMHO. The Yorkshire Lines of the LNWR, by Neil Fraser and published by The Oakwood Press. ISBN 978-0-85361-561-3 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 On 13/09/2019 at 08:30, AndrewT said: From old photos and maps, I knew there were some sidings between the LNWR Huddersfield-Leeds line and the Leeds 'new' Line, as well as a few nearer to the houses at Heaton Lodge itself, but on all the photos I've ever seen - they were empty. Anyone know what their purpose was? I do know that roughly where the arrow-head on the above map is on the RH side after the word 'Leeds' - there was a very small drift mine (actually a bit nearer the (blue) running lines. Might have been something to do with that perhaps? I spent about 3 years researching the area around there and found mention of the drift mine - but not the siding nearby. Neither did I find any photos of that part of the line apart from this dreadful one showing an 8F in the background heading west up the Calder Valley line. No siding in evidence here in the early ‘60’s tho they may have been just out of sight.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 I did always wonder what this pronounced dip in the cutting just a little further east was too - thought it best to model it anyway. Last year I was reading Paul Bambrick’s book about backscenes when look what I found..a pic of a short train appearing from a siding that cut through to some clay kilns a few yards beyond..the reason for the ‘dip’. Also you can see in the background the bridges of the LNWR Leeds ‘New Line’ that closed in the early ‘60’s. If you check the printed track plan a few posts back you’ll see where it says ‘Battyeford’ is where (a few years after closure in 1970) this part of the line was severed and realigned to join the Calder Valley line, which is the track plan in the model of Heaton Lodge itself 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2019 The Old-Maps site shows the drift mine in the 1850s https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/418468/420530/10/100391 But it had gone in the 1890s although Helm Colliery was still shown https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/418719/420339/12/100392 On 13/09/2019 at 13:31, 4630 said: The book doesn't mention the purpose of the sidings but, in Appendix 5 does say that 'Heaton Lodge Sidings closed on 1st October 1984'. Is that the closure date of the signal box as the actual sidings appear to have gone some time earlier, possibly mid to late 1970s? 2 hours ago, HeatonLodge40 said: No siding in evidence here in the early ‘60’s tho they may have been just out of sight.. The bracket signal in the centre of the picture was by the exit from the sidings. There's a double disc at the foot of it reading to the headshunt or the running line. The headshunt is the nearest line to the signal box and the sidings disappear into the long grass to the left. Thumbnail picture linked from the Signalling Record Society website Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Does this map help ? OS 25" / mile 1892-1914 https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/index.cfm#zoom=16&lat=53.6786&lon=-1.7105&layers=168&b=1 Brit15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TheSignalEngineer said: The Old-Maps site shows the drift mine in the 1850s https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/418468/420530/10/100391 But it had gone in the 1890s although Helm Colliery was still shown https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/418719/420339/12/100392 Is that the closure date of the signal box as the actual sidings appear to have gone some time earlier, possibly mid to late 1970s? The bracket signal in the centre of the picture was by the exit from the sidings. There's a double disc at the foot of it reading to the headshunt or the running line. The headshunt is the nearest line to the signal box and the sidings disappear into the long grass to the left. Thumbnail picture linked from the Signalling Record Society website Thanks for that. Great maps..The signal box defo closed in April 1970 tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 14, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, HeatonLodge40 said: Thanks for that. Great maps..The signal box defo closed in April 1970 tho That would probably mean that the sidings were already disused by then. A lot of small yards like that disappeared in the late 1960s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1985 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Looking good Simon. keeping my eye every month or so and looks like you’ve been distracted by the fiddle yard! youll have no doubt seen the new proposals from network rail so your model becomes even more symbolic now given the cottages are set for the chop, we’re currently in dialogue with them to understand timescales - sad times! keep up the good work. James (no 3 Heaton lodge) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted September 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2019 15 hours ago, APOLLO said: Does this map help ? OS 25" / mile 1892-1914 https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/index.cfm#zoom=16&lat=53.6786&lon=-1.7105&layers=168&b=1 Brit15 I tend to use NLS for historic OS rather than the oldmaps web-site which I find a bit clunky, anyway, if on NLS you use the "Find by place" tab in the menu bar a wider range of OS 25" maps will (usually) appear, compared to the Georeferenced Maps (which for the 25" editions is usually just one revision date), see https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=14&lat=53.6732&lon=-1.7137&layers=101&b=1&point=53.6787,-1.7169 the maps that can be viewed are in a list on the right hand side of the screen, just click on the one you want to see and it comes up and is scrollable/zoomable etc but not overlaid on modern aerial imagery (as it's not georeferenced). hope that helps. great project btw! I have fond memories of being at the junction back in the early 80s with my friend Richard, who lived locally in Mirfield, a procession of class 40s I seem to recall... cheers, Keith 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 8 hours ago, James1985 said: Looking good Simon. keeping my eye every month or so and looks like you’ve been distracted by the fiddle yard! youll have no doubt seen the new proposals from network rail so your model becomes even more symbolic now given the cottages are set for the chop, we’re currently in dialogue with them to understand timescales - sad times! keep up the good work. James (no 3 Heaton lodge) For those following this thread James owns one of the ex signalman’s cottages at Heaton Lodge virtually opposite the ex LNWR footbridge (which I recently built) & which still stands.. James - I had no idea your cottage was due the chop, what a crying shame. I’m guessing they are adding more tracks here and electrification too. I called down to see you just last week as I needed some more pics of the stonework.. You weren’t in so I took them anyway hope you didn’t mind! Here the model of your cottages take shape ... I’m on a strict timescale now with Heaton Lodge so couldn’t devote the time to constructing the cottages.. Peter at Kirtley Models has taken it on and by sheer coincidence sent me these pics of them taking shape yesterday.. The photo of the real building show them viewed from the track (ie the rear). The model shows the much more elaborate front view which were built in a gothic style.. 18 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirtleypete Posted September 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) I hope Simon won't mind if I post some pictures of the cottages; they are nearly complete, just waiting for the chimney pots and to add a couple of drain pipes. It's odd how the stone looks grey on the model but brown on the picture of the real thing; it was done using a photo of the real buildings so it must be right! The weather plays a large part, and in a winter setting being quite dull is no bad thing. Peter Edited September 18, 2019 by kirtleypete photo not sized correctly 18 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 hours ago, kirtleypete said: using a photo of the real buildings so it must be right! Pete, I don’t mean to be critical of your work, the cottages are lovely and will undoubtedly complement this outstanding layout, but Is this really true? Clearly modern camera sensors are very clever, but their white balance is perhaps not the same as the “mk1 eyeball” whose colour sensitivity changes quite dramatically from time to time (try sleeping in a purple tent, if you want to wake up with weird colour perception!) and the tonal variation produced by the printer will depend on the technology and the inks. And to further muddy the waters, if the photos of the real thing and the model were taken in different lighting and/or on different cameras, there is likely to be further variation between the perceived colours of them. atb Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 This is a screen cap from Google street view; you wouldn't think it was the same building. Peter 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 The camera never lies... cheers Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1985 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Hi Pete, as a layman to the modelling world and meeting Simon by chance at the start of his project, I can only commend you on the expert work of the Cottages, they are unbelievable. Whilst not wishing to get involved in the stonework comments (!) i know Simon was modelling from his view of the track in the 1980’s so the stonework would have looked very different back then, but I can attest to the stonework looking different depending on what time of year it is! I’m looking forward, like everyone else, to see the finished version. James 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted September 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 18, 2019 From my own experience the colour of York Stone is very difficult to reproduce. I've had several goes and failed using all sorts of colours. It's a sort of khaki yellow but with a green tinge. As it gets dirty it gets even harder to pinpoint. A lot of roads were laid in Yorkshire Setts and I have no idea what to do. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kirtleypete Posted September 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2019 Well, the cottages are staying as they are, it's too late to change the colour now and on that particular day in 198? they looked just that like that!! I've added the chimney pots and remaining drain pipes now, and done some more work on the gardens; there are trees just beyond where the hedge is so I thought some lying leaves would be appropriate. It's been very difficult forcing myself not to have some lovely colourful flower beds! I haven't modelled the two skylights in the roof as they look more modern to me, but it's hard to be sure. It wouldn't be difficult to add them later. Finally, how do you stop the damn static grass attaching itself to windows?! Peter 16 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted September 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, kirtleypete said: Finally, how do you stop the damn static grass attaching itself to windows?! Wait until you've finished using it and then blast the window area with an airbrush airflow. If there is material around that you don't want to blast then just create a paper mask to shield it from the airflow. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 11 hours ago, kirtleypete said: This is a screen cap from Google street view; you wouldn't think it was the same building. Peter This in fact is the side I took close ups of the stone work from for you Peter, so clearly the other side has definitely ‘weathered’ more since it faces north. Obviously this side faces south so I guess has been bleached a tad more! My fault for not noticing any difference.. Whatever, the cottages look great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 4 hours ago, jamie92208 said: From my own experience the colour of York Stone is very difficult to reproduce. I've had several goes and failed using all sorts of colours. It's a sort of khaki yellow but with a green tinge. As it gets dirty it gets even harder to pinpoint. A lot of roads were laid in Yorkshire Setts and I have no idea what to do. Jamie I too have had this problem Jamie and have used watercolours, emulsions and god knows what else over literally days - it’s almost impossible to recreate. I’d have liked the bridges at Wood Lane (on the model) to look more like York Stone but got away with it to a certain extent as in winter it’s noticeable darker, and often greener and damp. If you examine each stone in say this picture of the bridge I mentioned (already modelled) - each individual stone must have 7/8 colours in it. If anyone has the solution/colour combo please let me know! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Staying on the stone subject a minute.. for texturing this stuff is excellent for getting that rough surface something close. Its a powder mixed with water and daubed on using a spatula. I carve the ‘stone’ out of Das once dry then use this on top before painting with watercolours 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HeatonLodge40 Posted September 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2019 Here is Wood Lane bridge again modelled with the above.. 15 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, HeatonLodge40 said: Here is Wood Lane bridge again modelled with the above.. You aint fooling me, that's the real one with the basement photoshopped in. Mike. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: You aint fooling me, that's the real one with the basement photoshopped in. Mike. Thanks Mike the real one has three warning stripes on the girders not four but anyway..! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 That looks like a really useful product, I'd never heard of it. The bridge looks superb, lovely modelling. Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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