37114 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, HeatonLodge40 said: Last few days have seen plenty of cork & track laying. Priority is to make the connection from the fiddle yards to the scenic side via the wide curves to create a U shape. As I’ve said this track work will eventually form the snapshot of Healey Mills with double tracks at opposite edges of the boards to allow the sheds & fuel points to be modelled in the middle. The odd length of concrete sleepered section I throw in now and again. The loop I’m creating is for steam charters and curves around for about 35ft. The points used here are by Marcway who constructed them with a 30’ radius curve in FB rail. They aren’t the easiest to match with Peco track since the sleepers on the points are scale thickness which isn’t the case with Peco. Therefore they need packing to correct the height difference and the cork underneath the slide bar sanding so it can move freely. Plus the wiring has to be thought through a bit more as they are copper clad construction. I’m going to buy some individual plastic chairs to somehow add to the rail sides to improve the appearance. Last pic is a Hattons warwell of which a few will eventually run carrying tractor units..just testing it you understand Nice tractor unit, I presume it is an IXO model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, 37114 said: Nice tractor unit, I presume it is an IXO model? It is indeed. Ive a load of IXO 1980’s units they do some nice stuff when you can get them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mick Bonwick Posted January 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2020 3 hours ago, HeatonLodge40 said: ..just testing it you understand Fully understood. Every single aspect of something new has to tested and tested again. Just to be sure. And if the testing goes too well, you just have to repeat it in case it's a fluke. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted January 4, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 4, 2020 4 hours ago, HeatonLodge40 said: Last few days have seen plenty of cork & track laying. Priority is to make the connection from the fiddle yards to the scenic side via the wide curves to create a U shape. As I’ve said this track work will eventually form the snapshot of Healey Mills with double tracks at opposite edges of the boards to allow the sheds & fuel points to be modelled in the middle. The odd length of concrete sleepered section I throw in now and again. The loop I’m creating is for steam charters and curves around for about 35ft. The points used here are by Marcway who constructed them with a 30’ radius curve in FB rail. They aren’t the easiest to match with Peco track since the sleepers on the points are scale thickness which isn’t the case with Peco. Therefore they need packing to correct the height difference and the cork underneath the slide bar sanding so it can move freely. Plus the wiring has to be thought through a bit more as they are copper clad construction. I’m going to buy some individual plastic chairs to somehow add to the rail sides to improve the appearance. Last pic is a Hattons warwell of which a few will eventually run carrying tractor units..just testing it you understand You should be able to treat the Marcway points in the same way, electrically, as elecctrofrg, assuming that all the timbers are gapped in the right place. Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRail Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 How anyone can claim that Warley is not a national show is quite amazing it is by far the largest show in the U.K. and will be visited by the most railway modellers. If you want this layout to be seen by as many railway modellers as possible then warley is a must. In reality I don’t know how many modellers will travel around the country to see one layout 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, LongRail said: How anyone can claim that Warley is not a national show is quite amazing it is by far the largest show in the U.K. and will be visited by the most railway modellers. If you want this layout to be seen by as many railway modellers as possible then warley is a must. In reality I don’t know how many modellers will travel around the country to see one layout I don't think anyone is claiming it isn't a national show, the thrust of the argument being that just because it's big doesn't make it good. If I'm understanding the concept of HLJ, if "proper" railway modellers attend it's appearances at the shopping malls/BHS, then that would be something of a bonus, but the bread and butter punters will be members of the general public, who might hopefully appreciate the magnificence of it and be spurred on to giving the hobby a go. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted January 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 hours ago, LongRail said: .... In reality I don’t know how many modellers will travel around the country to see one layout Many of us will have travelled from the UK to Hamburg to see one layout. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Ian Smeeton said: You should be able to treat the Marcway points in the same way, electrically, as elecctrofrg, assuming that all the timbers are gapped in the right place. yes, assuming they are gapped in the right place, and more importantly, not gapped in the wrong place; between the blades and stock rails. I bought some second hand that had been made that way, and relied on the blades for electrical connectivity, and the switching was unreliable, and a wheel could short and trip the DCC. I regapped them. the ones in the photo above appear to be gapped down the mid line, which is fine. They will need a switch for the frog, as it must be isolated. atb Simon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 5, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Simond said: yes, assuming they are gapped in the right place, and more importantly, not gapped in the wrong place; between the blades and stock rails. I bought some second hand that had been made that way, and relied on the blades for electrical connectivity, and the switching was unreliable, and a wheel could short and trip the DCC. I regapped them. the ones in the photo above appear to be gapped down the mid line, which is fine. They will need a switch for the frog, as it must be isolated. atb Simon A friend bought a 00 Marcway point that is as you describe Simon. I don't know if that's normal for Marcway but I'm going to modify it to "conventional" live frog configuration for him. The ones in the other Simon's photos appear to have been built with gaps down the outside and extra gaps down the middle, in which case care will be needed to check that the frog is isolated and also that there is electrical continuity between the stock rails and switch rails. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted January 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2020 Nah, with the speed and weight of the train behind, the whole point could be electrically dead and the loco will just be pushed over it. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yeah, but as it’s not Network Sarf Eeest, the conductor rail sparks will spoil the illusion... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, LongRail said: How anyone can claim that Warley is not a national show is quite amazing it is by far the largest show in the U.K. and will be visited by the most railway modellers. If you want this layout to be seen by as many railway modellers as possible then warley is a must. In reality I don’t know how many modellers will travel around the country to see one layout It may be the Largest, but much of that is box shifting trade stands. Many of the specialist suppliers no longer attend because it's too expensive. In recent years, in order to fill the hall they are stuffing in layouts of poor quality. The Warley club used to put on superb shows. There are far better shows deserving the title National. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Neil said: Many of us will have travelled from the UK to Hamburg to see one layout. Though to be fair, miniature wonderland is several layouts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Crikey I’ve sparked something off here.! Ref Marcway yes the principle is still the same, I make sure the frog is totally isolated then bond the outside rails to the upper part of the switch blades so the tips of the blades aren’t the only part conducting the power. I bond the Peco points in the same way.. I’ll cover the gaps in the marcway point with a bit of clay to smooth out the sleeper surface. There’s a couple more reasons why HLJ will be at Warley which I’ll mention later in the year. Mainly to do with a potential relationship with a certain manufacturer who’ll use HLJ to debut certain new models. Can’t say much more now but this is where the large LED platform displays will be very useful .. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony Teague Posted January 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, Denbridge said: It may be the Largest, but much of that is box shifting trade stands. Many of the specialist suppliers no longer attend because it's too expensive. In recent years, in order to fill the hall they are stuffing in layouts of poor quality. The Warley club used to put on superb shows. There are far better shows deserving the title National. Care to suggest some? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted January 5, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 5, 2020 Simon, do you have any plans to show-off HLJ (in its current home) before it's first outing at Warley - sort of as "a dress-rehearsal" with attendees restricted on a strictly invitation only basis? Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Guys, Please let’s not clog this thread with a debate on the merits or otherwise of Model Railway Shows. cheers Simon (another one) 2 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James1985 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 10/12/2019 at 14:36, AndrewT said: Using part of the old Midland Railway Huddersfield (Newtown Goods) branch formation by the look of things. I assume, in the absence of available information from NR that the overall radius of the curve from / to Huddersfield for the new 'fast' lines is to be eased to allow higher speed running - hence the demolition of the houses and use of the disused MR track formation. Anyone out there from NR know?? Apologies for the dragging up of old news however I’m a casual reader and met Simon through my ownership of the cottages so have a look every month or so. you are correct Andrew, the current curvature wouldn’t allow the higher speed trains to go round without “falling over’ so a reduced curve is needed and the cottages are for the chop. That’s what NR explained to me anyway. ’looking good Simon, keep up the hard graft! 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 06/01/2020 at 14:44, James1985 said: Apologies for the dragging up of old news however I’m a casual reader and met Simon through my ownership of the cottages so have a look every month or so. you are correct Andrew, the current curvature wouldn’t allow the higher speed trains to go round without “falling over’ so a reduced curve is needed and the cottages are for the chop. That’s what NR explained to me anyway. ’looking good Simon, keep up the hard graft! Hi James such a shame about the cottages. Is it a sure thing they are going as I know Network Rail often propose these things but don’t finally push ahead with every project. On a positive note I’ve installed a greenhouse on your patio in case you’re into growing tomato plants 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HeatonLodge40 Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) I’m having a deserved break from track laying to scenic work at the opposite side.. Using the usual static grass combination, canopy (dolls hair) and plenty of ground up soil to give the wintry look..this will have a sprinkling of snow/frost before long. Its tempting not to add as much detail if the frost is going to land..but..a light layer of frost in practise brings out detail even more.. Allan Downes left me a lot of his building bless him and although I can’t use many of these as they are clearly based on those in Great Western territory, these two derelict factories I will be using. In fact there was (and still is) some derelict building at a large sewerage farm I’m about to begin construction of (Cooper Bridge sewage works) - Allan’s building will fit nicely in here. I do intend to ‘winterise’ them and chop out the siding they both have.. but they are beautifully done as you can see.. I’ve also invested in a pair of binoculars which I seriously am going to be using to spot trains appearing underneath the bridge at the eastern end of the layout. It really does transport you back to the ‘80’s using these! Edited January 8, 2020 by HeatonLodge40 Spelling 27 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just found this on Flickr, for when you fancy a different time period! You could always extend the fiddle yard sideways if you have no room for any more stock! 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold jcarta Posted January 8, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 8, 2020 You're not wrong there ..... The derelict building looks a work of art. It will be in keeping with the rest of the layout. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatonLodge40 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, muddy water said: Just found this on Flickr, for when you fancy a different time period! You could always extend the fiddle yard sideways if you have no room for any more stock! Thanks. Yes seen these and is exactly the point I’m working on now. Just to the right of the tunnel mouth is a slope leading to a load of stagnant ponds/still water. Just about to model these Edited January 8, 2020 by HeatonLodge40 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 That is spooky! Maybe you could fit a webcam on the worksite? it would be like the network rail orange army, but in 1980’s donkey jackets! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 8, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 hours ago, jcarta said: You're not wrong there ..... The derelict building looks a work of art. It will be in keeping with the rest of the layout. Jim Wot, derelict? Oh, I see... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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