Simond Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 https://www.bes.co.uk/fernox-frys-powerflow-flux-100g-8275/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAuP-OBhDqARIsAD4XHpd0MJthwYW0XstRfIBOfwnsPvzSowWExu68UEkYYkz5J7jUQBnx6_4aAltzEALw_wcB other suppliers available. Make sure you wash it off with an old toothbrush and Jif or whatever and lots of very hot water, or everything will go green & manky. best Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradfordbuffer Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Finger poised over the Ryanair website! Mike. Why is show been held in arrivals Hall at mallorca International Airport? Yep ....I presume you not a UK resident? Just couldent help my self! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 14 hours ago, HeatonLodge40 said: On another note regarding the next outing for HLJ - I’ll be posting the details on Monday. Much larger event this one with hopefully a good number of multi scale layouts, lots of trade etc Its not long either - Friday/Saturday/Sunday April 8/9/10th The weekend just before my birthday, the wife will be pleased hopefully I'm less tied up with work this time so I can get to see it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winander Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) I'm not surprised it takes a blowtorch, the brass base looks to be over a mm thick. The flux doesn't appear to be active, as soon as you heat active up it will clean the brass and your brass is still dirty. Go to any plumbers merchants and ask for self cleaning flux, Powerflow or La-Co. Don't stress about cleaning it off - I made 10 turnout vees from steel rail in 2015 using Powerflow and only wiped the flux off when it was liquid (because the work was still fairly hot). They haven't rusted. If you want strength, carry on as you are. Might be a good idea when you are fixing them down to arrange it so if they do get knocked, they fall over rather than bend and get wrecked. Edited January 14, 2022 by Winander 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 9 hours ago, Winander said: They haven't rusted. I can only say that I am astonished. Powerflow is brilliant flux but highly active, containing 1-5% hydrochloric acid. https://www.plumbase.co.uk/link/1/s021225_28130_t.pdf I would certainly invest a few moments to wash it off. Otherwise any paint you put on will lift and brass will go green. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winander Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 15 hours ago, Simond said: I can only say that I am astonished. I admit to being surprised, I use the stuff in plumbing work and pretty quickly became aware of the verdigris that appeared within days if a joint wasn't cleaned. I got into the habit of wiping the joint with a rag as soon as it was made and still hot. The problem stopped. So when I made the vees, I did just the same. I think because you wipe the flux off when it is still liquid when the work is warm is the difference. I certainly wouldn't discourage a proper clean and would have done that myself had I intended to use the vees. I made the post because Powerflow often gets a bad press and people exaggerate the cleaning requirements. It is an excellent flux, I now use it for everything, brass, steel, stainless and nickel silver and cleaning is no more challenging than other flux. To be even more contentious, I have been taking my time making an etched brass kit in 4mm with minute quantities of Powerflow. It has rarely been wiped and never cleaned and there is no sign of verdigris after two months. I do now dilute it with water to a runny consistency and believe if used in small quantities it burns off. The cautionary note about paint adhesion is welcomed and it was always my intention to ensure that my work receives a thorough clean as I complete sections and again before painting. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 16, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2022 On 13/01/2022 at 23:44, bradfordbuffer said: Why is show been held in arrivals Hall at mallorca International Airport? Yep ....I presume you not a UK resident? Just couldent help my self! EW is from Yorkshire. UK resident is questionable.................. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradfordbuffer Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 48 minutes ago, newbryford said: EW is from Yorkshire. UK resident is questionable.................. Shhhhhh you will start a war....may be a war of roses!, and I think I'm know what thay call a mercenary...I'll fight for the other side even though my heart is born on the other side! I'll see you at sandal ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 16, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 hours ago, newbryford said: EW is from Yorkshire. UK resident is questionable.................. Thanks for your support Mick, I will always wear it! 5 hours ago, bradfordbuffer said: Shhhhhh you will start a war....may be a war of roses!, and I think I'm know what thay call a mercenary...I'll fight for the other side even though my heart is born on the other side! I'll see you at sandal ! There is no war of the roses, we Yorkshire people know we are superior to everyone else, so why argue? Now, the war of the OO/P4/EM modellers, that's far more interesting! Mike. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I was standing next to a lady who had brought her son ( I presume ) at Wakefield. Her comment , “ It’s all a bit bleak isn’t it ?”. Of course, you are looking, at a sewage works, in Yorkshire, in 1983… I’m not sure if she was expecting Disneyland in O gauge. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 16/01/2022 at 00:51, newbryford said: EW is from Yorkshire. UK resident is questionable.................. You got there before me! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 17, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, rob D2 said: I was standing next to a lady who had brought her son ( I presume ) at Wakefield. Her comment , “ It’s all a bit bleak isn’t it ?”. Of course, you are looking, at a sewage works, in Yorkshire, in 1983… I’m not sure if she was expecting Disneyland in O gauge. Probably been watching TGMRC and expected erupting volcanoes and aliens! 1 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris M Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, rob D2 said: , “ It’s all a bit bleak isn’t it ?”. Of course, you are looking, at a sewage works, in Yorkshire, in 1983… I must say that is exactly my thoughts as well. Yes it is very well modelled and I appreciate the skilful work that has gone into it but I see it is a somewhat depressing subject. I’ll probably go and see it sometime though. Meanwhile my modelling preference will remain a sunny day by the seaside. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chris M said: I must say that is exactly my thoughts as well. Yes it is very well modelled and I appreciate the skilful work that has gone into it but I see it is a somewhat depressing subject. I’ll probably go and see it sometime though. Meanwhile my modelling preference will remain a sunny day by the seaside. Most railway modelling is in a way depressing, unless you are modelling the current day then in some form or other you are harking back to an earlier time in your life where you perceived you were happier. For you it is memories of a sunny day in Dawlish, on Heaton Lodge it is watching trains go by in Yorkshire in 1983. I have finally found my happy place too - Northwest England in the 1970s - banger blue with DMUs, ideally I'd do Manchester Victoria, Crewe or York but I don't have the space or the skill so I imagine a what if scenario. Edited January 17, 2022 by woodenhead 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradfordbuffer Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 5 hours ago, rob D2 said: I was standing next to a lady who had brought her son ( I presume ) at Wakefield. Her comment , “ It’s all a bit bleak isn’t it ?”. Of course, you are looking, at a sewage works, in Yorkshire, in 1983… I’m not sure if she was expecting Disneyland in O gauge. Just need some stink bombs from joke shop! Or some selected visitors who dodge the deodorant! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 4 hours ago, bradfordbuffer said: Just need some stink bombs from joke shop! Or some selected visitors who dodge the deodorant! I live right next to one of UK's biggest waste water works, only a small patch of wooded land between me and the big spinny things. Rarely do we get a stench unless it's been particularly wet and there is too much water coming through the system. And houses on our road are desirable, they sell without problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradfordbuffer Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, woodenhead said: I live right next to one of UK's biggest waste water works, only a small patch of wooded land between me and the big spinny things. Rarely do we get a stench unless it's been particularly wet and there is too much water coming through the system. And houses on our road are desirable, they sell without problem. Houses sell ok....do you get more than local asking price....May be a turd more than elsewhere (⅓.?????)...I'll get my coat! I walk the pooch on ilkley riverside walk and late Sunday tend to be the smelliest....beer and curry from firday and Saturday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 18, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 17/01/2022 at 13:00, woodenhead said: Most railway modelling is in a way depressing, unless you are modelling the current day then in some form or other you are harking back to an earlier time in your life where you perceived you were happier. My current project is Black Country 1956-60. True Grot, at least the weathering covers up most modelling mistakes. I remember women on street corners round there who were like Ena Sharples on steroids. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve45 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, TheSignalEngineer said: My current project is Black Country 1956-60. True Grot, at least the weathering covers up most modelling mistakes. I remember women on street corners round there who were like Ena Sharples on steroids. I was born in the Black Country in the mid 50's and can vouch that to be true 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted January 18, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, TheSignalEngineer said: I remember women on street corners round there who were like Ena Sharples on steroids. Careful! They might remember you too... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rob D2 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 17/01/2022 at 18:15, woodenhead said: I live right next to one of UK's biggest waste water works, only a small patch of wooded land between me and the big spinny things. Rarely do we get a stench unless it's been particularly wet and there is too much water coming through the system. And houses on our road are desirable, they sell without problem. Turdspotters !;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2022 On 17/01/2022 at 09:56, Chris M said: I must say that is exactly my thoughts as well. Yes it is very well modelled and I appreciate the skilful work that has gone into it but I see it is a somewhat depressing subject. I’ll probably go and see it sometime though. Meanwhile my modelling preference will remain a sunny day by the seaside. One thing I like about railway modelling is the variety. If I had infinite time and skill and space I'd spend more of it modelling my definite preferences but there are all sorts of other things I'd model too from time to time. And I like seeing them. I even like a good model of things I dislike in the real world. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Reorte Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2022 On 17/01/2022 at 13:00, woodenhead said: Most railway modelling is in a way depressing, unless you are modelling the current day then in some form or other you are harking back to an earlier time in your life where you perceived you were happier. Whilst I wouldn't mind modelling from my childhood I'm actually more interested in modelling times before I was born. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 On 17/01/2022 at 13:00, woodenhead said: Most railway modelling is in a way depressing, unless you are modelling the current day then in some form or other you are harking back to an earlier time in your life where you perceived you were happier. Not neccesarily when I was happier, but definitely when the trains were better/more interesting!!! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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