03 & 05 in O gauge

[hmrspaul]

1 hour ago, Willoughby Glen said:

Hi Paul

 

This is one I found:

https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Slaters-Plastikard-7067-BR-13t-Conflat-Wagon-O-Gauge_N1922279

 

Which says Conflat A on the side. 

Sorry not right. There are two designs of L, one with small sides and the other with triangular places for the L containers to locate and unusually shaped holes beneath where each container goes - Tri-ang made a poor stab at modelling these half a century plus ago. 

See my link

Paul

[sleepyrider]

Apologies if this has been covered before but I can't  see it in the thread - I think I'm about to give in and buy a discounted 05 - will I be able to run it on a shunting plank with an OO controller?

Cheers

Jim

[suomen]

3 hours ago, sleepyrider said:

...with an OO controller?

Yes definitely. Have a look at YouChoos' install guide for a Heljan 05 with a normal (i.e. 00) Zimo decoder:

https://www.youchoos.co.uk/Index-Resource.php?L1=Guides&Item=OHeljanCL05

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by suomen
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[sleepyrider]

Thank you for that, final obstacle to purchase removed!

[Mol_PMB]

I see Hattons are offering their remaining stock of these at around £250 as a 'Black Friday' deal:

https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/siteresults?searchfield=Heljan class 03

They are presumably the less popular liveries, but it seems a substantial reduction from the list price of around £400.

I'm not sure how good a deal this is, as there's usually some discount from RRP anyway?

I'm trying to decide whether I 'need' one at this price...

Probably I don't really need one at all! I don't imagine they were that common in Manchester / Trafford Park in the 1960s!

 

Edit:

There were three spotted at Trafford Park shed in December 1966: D2373, D2389, D2391

http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2013/02/trafford-park-1957-1964.html

All three were allocated to Longsight at this time, later were briefly allocated to Newton Heath before being dispersed. Looks like D2390 was at Longsight too in the 1966-1968 period. Possibly others.

https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=2373&loco=2373

They would have had wasp stripes by then, possibly even in blue, so I think I still have an excuse not to buy, but it's weaker...

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by Mol_PMB

[montyburns56]

1 hour ago, Mol_PMB said:

I see Hattons are offering their remaining stock of these at around £250 as a 'Black Friday' deal:

https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/siteresults?searchfield=Heljan class 03

They are presumably the less popular liveries, but it seems a substantial reduction from the list price of around £400.

I'm not sure how good a deal this is, as there's usually some discount from RRP anyway?

I'm trying to decide whether I 'need' one at this price...

Probably I don't really need one at all! I don't imagine they were that common in Manchester / Trafford Park in the 1960s!

 

Edit:

There were three spotted at Trafford Park shed in December 1966: D2373, D2389, D2391

http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2013/02/trafford-park-1957-1964.html

All three were allocated to Longsight at this time, later were briefly allocated to Newton Heath before being dispersed. Looks like D2390 was at Longsight too in the 1966-1968 period. Possibly others.

https://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=D&id=2373&loco=2373

They would have had wasp stripes by then, possibly even in blue, so I think I still have an excuse not to buy, but it's weaker...

 

 

Didn't Ford once have a site on Trafford Park? 

 

 

[Mol_PMB]

9 minutes ago, montyburns56 said:

 

Didn't Ford once have a site on Trafford Park? 

 

 

They did, but not in the days of 03s (or even 04s). They had moved out to Dagenham by then.

[Hal Nail]

14 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

I'm not sure how good a deal this is, as there's usually some discount from RRP anyway?

They've been that price for a while now

[Mol_PMB]

2 minutes ago, Hal Nail said:

They've been that price for a while now

Thanks! So there's no need for me to make a quick decision.

 

Having done a bit more research I can't justify an industrial one in my region and time period, but there were at least four BR ones which frequented Trafford Park sidings in the 1966-68 period: D2373, D2389, D2390, D2391. D2392 was also there for a short period in 1966-7.

Here's D2390 seen in Stockport in 1967:

http://manlocosoc.co.uk/sutherland/slide-webone-off.cgi?ws-030&71

There are photos of both D2391 and D2392 in Warrington in 1963, before they were transferred to Longsight:

https://railphotoprints.uk/p426458760

All are in green with wasp stripes.

Hattons are offering green without wasp stripes, or yellow with wasp stripes. I think I'm talking myself out of it, but there are possibilities for a partial repaint of either.

Now, would it be easier to paint wasp stripes on a green one, or paint the remainder of a yellow one into green? ...

 

[37114]

23 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Thanks! So there's no need for me to make a quick decision.

 

Having done a bit more research I can't justify an industrial one in my region and time period, but there were at least four BR ones which frequented Trafford Park sidings in the 1966-68 period: D2373, D2389, D2390, D2391. D2392 was also there for a short period in 1966-7.

Here's D2390 seen in Stockport in 1967:

http://manlocosoc.co.uk/sutherland/slide-webone-off.cgi?ws-030&71

There are photos of both D2391 and D2392 in Warrington in 1963, before they were transferred to Longsight:

https://railphotoprints.uk/p426458760

All are in green with wasp stripes.

Hattons are offering green without wasp stripes, or yellow with wasp stripes. I think I'm talking myself out of it, but there are possibilities for a partial repaint of either.

Now, would it be easier to paint wasp stripes on a green one, or paint the remainder of a yellow one into green? ...

 

Personally I would go for the one with the wasp stripes and repaint the main body over adding wasp stripes to the green one.

[tractionman]

Kernow have the 05 for just less than £200, one in BR blue,

 

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/55234/2593-WSL-Heljan-Class-05-Diesel-Shunter-in-BR-Blue-Livery

 

and the other, Industrial Livery CEGB No.2 in all over yellow with wasp stripes, at the same price.

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

 

[Lord Flashheart]

14 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

Thanks! So there's no need for me to make a quick decision.

 

Having done a bit more research I can't justify an industrial one in my region and time period, but there were at least four BR ones which frequented Trafford Park sidings in the 1966-68 period: D2373, D2389, D2390, D2391. D2392 was also there for a short period in 1966-7.

Here's D2390 seen in Stockport in 1967:

http://manlocosoc.co.uk/sutherland/slide-webone-off.cgi?ws-030&71

There are photos of both D2391 and D2392 in Warrington in 1963, before they were transferred to Longsight:

https://railphotoprints.uk/p426458760

All are in green with wasp stripes.

Hattons are offering green without wasp stripes, or yellow with wasp stripes. I think I'm talking myself out of it, but there are possibilities for a partial repaint of either.

Now, would it be easier to paint wasp stripes on a green one, or paint the remainder of a yellow one into green? ...

 

The spacing of the bonnet end wasp stripes is different on the yellow one compared to green or blue ones, the section over the top is black but the top stripe on the yellow one is aswell. 

If you look at prototype photos compared to the yellow one you'll see what I mean, I nearly bought one to paint green until I realised so got a blue one instead. 

 

Rob

[Mol_PMB]

Ah, very true! Thanks for pointing that out. The prototype BR green ones do seem to have consistently positioned wasp stripes, which are not the same as on the yellow one. 

[Hal Nail]

35 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Ah, very true! Thanks for pointing that out. The prototype BR green ones do seem to have consistently positioned wasp stripes, which are not the same as on the yellow one. 

The Dapol 08 has a variety of different wasp arrangements and I can confirm correcting them isn't the easiest - I'd wait for a 2nd hand one with the right stripes (even if the wrong body colour) rather than attempt to add them to a new plain green one personally.

[zoro]

Have any of you that have fitted DCC to either the 03, or the 05 ( I have done both ) managed to get the directional top head light working? I suspect the way the are wired by Heljan needs modifying ?

[Keith J]

I don't know about the 05 but on the 03 I'm pretty sure the top headlight, together with the lower centre lights, are dummy's. I think it's only the lower outer lights at each end that actually work.

[markwilson]

On 03/02/2022 at 12:11, Keith J said:

I don't know about the 05 but on the 03 I'm pretty sure the top headlight, together with the lower centre lights, are dummy's. I think it's only the lower outer lights at each end that actually work.

I know this is an old post now, but as mine was in pieces on the bench I had the opportunity to take a picture and confirm that the top front light is definitely a dummy (no connection) and I’ve only seen the outside two lights working (front and rear).

 

 

[markwilson]

On the subject of lighting, has anyone had any luck please with working out the DCC functions? 
 

Mine (with a Zimo MX634D) seems to turn on lights with F0, cab lights with F2 but the lights are only on at the rear, not the leading end and only in shunt mode (red and white together). I’m a bit of a DCC novice but I’ve done some basic CV editing on other locos (e.g. Dapol 08). There’s nothing in the instructions for this one though!

[markwilson]

On 25/05/2020 at 10:18, deltic17 said:

I am surprised someone hasn't come out with the bits to convert one of these 03's to an air braked example. Looks like I am going to have to do some scratchbuilding……!!

I’m probably about 3 years too late but check out @mudmagnet’s air braking bits and pieces: https://mudmagnet-models.sumupstore.com/product/7mm-class-03-air-tanks-cabinet. I guess buffer beam pipes can come from a detailing kit on another model.