jonathan452 Posted November 14, 2010 Author Share Posted November 14, 2010 I dont think these will be the answer for the BR modellers search for a top class Mark II d/e/f tbh, especially at 50 euro a pop and requiring some surgery! Thank you for comments which I have noted. Will wait for the magazine reviews in anticipation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderer08 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Hi all, Am I right in thinkin the livery for the generator van in IE with orange roof is the same as IR livery? I believe from the few shots I have seen that the generator cars did'nt have any markings on them, makin it correct for both variations. Thanks in advance, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_irl Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Hi, I've the EGV in orange with black roof and no IR / IE markings on it. I think that the orange roof would have been before the black roof version looking at a few pics so that is def IR as well. from looking at a few of the sites from the below the black roof goes back to at least 03. IR was from 87 onwards. google.ie and search "irish rail coaches fotopic" gives you plenty of sites to brownse for details Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 The EGV in IE livery with the orange roof will be the same shade of orange as the black roofed version so it won't look out of place having some orange roofed IE liveried coaches running with the black roofed ones and anyway they were so filthy it was hard to tell the difference as I don't think they ever saw the inside of a wash plant. 5605 had an orange roof in 2006 and I don't think it was overhauled before it was withdrawn from traffic. IR will be a darker shade of orange. Richard, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_irl Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 as the saying goes "40 shades of orange and not one of them the same" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_irl Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 A bit of an update from another site: Super Train livery from introduction to 1987 orange roof IR Livery 1987 to 1995 orange roof IE Livery 1995 to withdrawal orange and black roof on Mk2's, black and orange roofed ran at the same time but only for IE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0rris Posted November 19, 2010 Share Posted November 19, 2010 Its always good to see the Irish model rail scene developing, it wasnt all that long ago that there was nought availible in rtr! Whats the position on NIR mk2s? m0rris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
201s Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 More info on http://irishrailwaymodeller.yuku.com/directory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Its always good to see the Irish model rail scene developing, it wasnt all that long ago that there was nought availible in rtr! Whats the position on NIR mk2s? m0rris NIR Mk 2s were old BR ones that were modified. They were of several different designs, none of which are the same as the IE Mk2D/E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaGrange Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 NIR Mk 2s were old BR ones that were modified. They were of several different designs, none of which are the same as the IE Mk2D/E Almost correct, the first 8 they bought in 1970 were made new for NIR including 547 the bar/diner now with the RPSI. All the others were second hand ex BR Western Region and 8 former Gatwick Express vehicles. Some of them have returned to the UK for further use Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dalesman Posted December 1, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2010 Here's some shots taken of some of the AC Mk2s on a Sligo train at Connolly station on August 25th/26th 2003. The window frames on the coaches were a mix of normal flush rivet style and pop rivets. Also, for Jim, here's a shot of two different heights (or should that be depths) of droplights. Regards Chris I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted December 1, 2010 Author Share Posted December 1, 2010 Also, for Jim, here's a shot of two different heights (or should that be depths) of droplights. Regards Chris I. Particularly interesting. From what I recall in the pictures of the initial pre production samples on the Murphy's Models website (NOTE these pictures now removed) it looked as if the shallower type of droplight had been used. Therefore subject to the correct underframe (m/a) details and larger size roof hatches etc (interchangeable mouldings) could a potential BR version for the FO and TSO therefore be a Mk2f? This type would be the most useful as it was the most numerous of the air cons, had the widest geographical spread, longest lifespan (particularly in front rank service), and the greatest livery variations. The existing Hornby (ex Airfix/Mainline/Dapol) Mk2d despite its age is of of a sufficiently acceptable standard to complement the above. Particularly useful for ECML formations 1973-79. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 On an IRRS tour of Inchicore Works in 2002 the guide told us that IE had obtained doors from the UK to replace doors that were beyond repair due to corrosion. It wasn't unusual to see a coach with a shallow and deeper drop light in a rake. Richard, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Given the doors were glass fibre composite construction, corrosion doesn't sound very likely. More likely accident damage. The two depths were frequently swapped around by BR depots too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted March 3, 2011 Author Share Posted March 3, 2011 Looks as if the Standard Open has now appeared on the Hattons Website (New Releases 03.03.11). At the time of writing this there are no pictures so we will have to wait to see if the windows are better than on the catering vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaGrange Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Ive seen one, but not upclose, so wont make pro or anti comments! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted March 31, 2011 Author Share Posted March 31, 2011 See http://irishrailwaym...els-Mk2d?page=2 for photographic evidence of body warping in some of the EGV's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 Ive seen one, but not upclose, so wont make pro or anti comments! Some pictures on here http://irishrailwaymodeller.yuku.com/topic/238/NEXT-MK2s-hot-off-the-news-wire. The windows look marginally better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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