RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 7, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2016 IIRC plug doors can be either sliding or pivot out on a sort of frame - the second type is like that fitted to modern Stagecoach express coaches where the door opens a touch, then swings out and back. This type is simpler but requires room inside for the pivoting frame to stow safely. The sliding type opens out a touch, then slides back on a runner fitted to the bodyside. From what i've read, the challenge is not in the sliding part, but the closing/locking part - making sure the door docks correctly and snugly so the locking system works and there are no draughts/water ingress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 So no TGS then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted December 7, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2016 So no TGS then? No need - presumably the Guard being located in the catering / first class vhicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) So no TGS then? No, no TGS will be present in the sets. The Guard will be relocated to a "crew compartment", presumably a sort of Train Manager's Office, in the catering vehicle (Trailer First Catering/TFC). Edited December 7, 2016 by hexagon789 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted December 7, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 7, 2016 No, no TGS will be present in the sets. The Guard will be relocated to a "crew compartment", presumably a sort of Train Manager's Office, in the catering vehicle (Trailer First Catering/TFC). Does the TGS have a hand brake for the train? Or is that not required on an HST as it's not really hauled stock? If it does I guess that'll be installed in the TFC. Really looking forward to these. Will have to start saving the pennies to buy some base models to convert. Whoever makes a OO conversion kit for the new style doors shall receive much custom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 There Does the TGS have a hand brake for the train? Or is that not required on an HST as it's not really hauled stock? If it does I guess that'll be installed in the TFC.Really looking forward to these. Will have to start saving the pennies to buy some base models to convert. Whoever makes a OO conversion kit for the new style doors shall receive much custom. There's a handbrake control in both power car cabs and I believe also in the former guard's compartments in the power cars. I think I'm correct in saying there's also a handbrake control in each trailer vehicle? Some sort of cupboard in one/both vestibules? Could be talking a load of rubbish on that last bit, so don't quote me on that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The doors will be Vapour Stone electric powered single-leaf plug doors with the Wilee door control system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 The doors will be Vapour Stone electric powered single-leaf plug doors with the Wilee door control system. So you have to use your Wilee to open the doors, interesting! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin_m Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 IIRC plug doors can be either sliding or pivot out on a sort of frame - the second type is like that fitted to modern Stagecoach express coaches where the door opens a touch, then swings out and back. This type is simpler but requires room inside for the pivoting frame to stow safely. The sliding type opens out a touch, then slides back on a runner fitted to the bodyside. From what i've read, the challenge is not in the sliding part, but the closing/locking part - making sure the door docks correctly and snugly so the locking system works and there are no draughts/water ingress The second type is known as a swing plug door, and appears to be operated by rotating a vertical pole inside the train to which the doors are attached by arms. I think 158s have this type, although most of the mechanism is hidden behind covers. Sliding plug doors are more common, but when used on trains don't have an external bodyside runner (I think it's on the inside of the door instead). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 8, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 8, 2016 ah, swing plug. i knew there was a simple name for them, d'you think i could remember it though? forgot about the 158s too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 So you have to use your Wilee to open the doors, interesting! If they serve Dundee would you have door control by Oor Wilee? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckymucklebackit Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 First look at the livery for the Scotrail HSTs https://www.railengineer.uk/2017/03/23/scotrails-new-hsts/ Jim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 24, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 24, 2017 I like the look of the new livery. Not to garish or out as some have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Re no TGS, no doubt some provision will be made as to the location of the emergency equipment i.e. the new crew compartment. HST powers don't all have a parking brake control in the former Guards area, late build have them in the cab and clean air compartment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Wondering if anyone has details of the current HST sets with power car, trailer numbers & liveries? TIA Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 40 minutes ago, MrB said: Wondering if anyone has details of the current HST sets with power car, trailer numbers & liveries? Latest Mk.3 formations I have are Unrefurbished passenger sets, most still in FGW dynamic lines blue, a few have lost the stripes, those in GWR green are highlighted. HA01 - 41124 42256 42255 44029 HA02 - 41144 42295 42301 44039 HA03 - 41104 42208 42206 44066 HA04 - 41130 42325 42267 44032 HA05 - 41022 42030 42010 44010 HA06 - 41158 42200 42129 44086 HA07 - 41010 42012 42013 44004 HA08 - 41180 42268 42296 44024 HA09 - 41146 42300 42299 44040 HA10 - 41135 42279 42280 44035 HA11 - 41136 42207 42047 44015 HA13 - 42209 42558 42269 42574 (training use only) Refurbished sets, ScotRail Intercity livery HA24 - 42343 42559 42183 40604 HA25 - 42045 42562 42292 40602 HA26 - 42046 42561 42004 40601 Power cars swap too frequently so don't record those against the sets but still a mix of FGW blue and ScotRail. Both can appear on the unrefurbished sets but only the ScotRail ones can be used on the refurbished sets. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, Simon Bendall said: Latest Mk.3 formations I have are Unrefurbished passenger sets, most still in FGW dynamic lines blue, a few have lost the stripes, those in GWR green are highlighted. HA01 - 41124 42256 42255 44029 HA02 - 41144 42295 42301 44039 HA03 - 41104 42208 42206 44066 HA04 - 41130 42325 42267 44032 HA05 - 41022 42030 42010 44010 HA06 - 41158 42200 42129 44086 HA07 - 41010 42012 42013 44004 HA08 - 41180 42268 42296 44024 HA09 - 41146 42300 42299 44040 HA10 - 41135 42279 42280 44035 HA11 - 41136 42207 42047 44015 HA13 - 42209 42558 42269 42574 (training use only) Refurbished sets, ScotRail Intercity livery HA24 - 42343 42559 42183 40604 HA25 - 42045 42562 42292 40602 HA26 - 42046 42561 42004 40601 Power cars swap too frequently so don't record those against the sets but still a mix of FGW blue and ScotRail. Both can appear on the unrefurbished sets but only the ScotRail ones can be used on the refurbished sets. Wow, Thank you very much Simon. Your lists are excellent and I under stand that the PCs change frequently! Best regards Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 HA07 worked the 0939 Queen St-Aberdeen this morning (Wed 27th March) with Power Cars 43021 (leading) and 43145. The TGS was the leading coach. Interestingly, the same 4 coaches were together in 1981, in 253004 ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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