MGR Hooper! Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted July 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 9, 2016 First thing that struck me, no nose seam. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 First thing that struck me, no nose seam. Neil I think it's customary...if it's Heljan, it's bound to have a huge/minor but noticeable error. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidM Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Info elsewhere states nose seams are on the CAD and will be on the next sample. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddys-blues Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Wow that will be some lump of a model that ..... as stated above no nose seam, they must have used the same designer that did the first Bachmann releases in 4mm Craig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 The rebate round the triangular grille is suspect. These grilles were not inset like that. http://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/Archive-Images/45S/45112-28-05-07-1Z48-MD-DERBY-MINEHEAD2.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 The rebate round the triangular grille is suspect. These grilles were not inset like that. http://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/Archive-Images/45S/45112-28-05-07-1Z48-MD-DERBY-MINEHEAD2.jpg yes 100% agree - it should be brought forward and be as flush as all the other side grilles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 First thing I thought was thank god it's not out till 2017 pocket money talking a big hit this year already! Overall and I think you have to look at Heljan models like that, is that it's not bad. I agree with the rebate issue just been comparing it to the Bachmann one, can't see any issues with the nose but maybe there is. It is going to be one hell of a chunk I agree. For me class 25 no, class 45 yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 I would like to see a few more pictures (Brian?) but overall looks pretty nice to me - subject to the things others have pointed out above. With all those wheels lets hope it negotiates pointwork better than their class 40 - getting the back to backs correct would be a good starting point in that respect! Hopefully Pete Harvey or some one can also do an etch to cover the footsteps/other grille on the bodyside for us later BR blue modellers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 The 40 fault wasn't an issue with the back to backs, it was the pony wheel which had so much movement that it derailed the bogie, we sussed it out on a layout one afternoon. The fix was a doddle 4 pieces of plastic tube sleeved over the pony axles, easy to do but took longer to suss out why it was doing it. I agree more pics but would say this one is a winner. What next a Class 56? I've heard rumours! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 maybe come the finished article it will be replicated with a painted line. Let's hope not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted July 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 10, 2016 Proovided they address the nose seem and the side grill issue this should be a terrific release, the rest of it looks pretty excellent to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Nose seams are on the CAD so will definitely be on the next sample I can assure you. And the small triangular grill will stick out the same as the main grill, trust me. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Nose seams are on the CAD so will definitely be on the next sample I can assure you. And the small triangular grill will stick out the same as the main grill, trust me. That's fantastic, Brian! I've resisted every O diesel so far, but the sheer heft of the BR-Sulzer Type 4 is really captivating, and I can see myself saving up for one. 60 LYTHAM ST ANNES in BFYE post-refurb 1968 condition, as she brought down the curtain on the Waverley route.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted July 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 10, 2016 Some mixes of 1960s and 1970s peaks here too. The nose side grille is the later version without the central dividing strut more appropriate to 1960s machines. The EP also has non-plated over bodyside footsteps and open filler hatch which was plated over on many locos. The triangular and small bodyside grilles were also plated over depending on prototype. Peak details are quite a minefield if you are modelling a particular machine in a given timeframe. I have the lists of these mods somewhere on the hard disk. Is the number 1 end central headcode and not centre-split? Headcodes were again a great source of variety, certainly in the mid 1970s before the flush fronts were done. I passed on the Western but could easily add a peak if the errors are sorted as Brian has suggested. Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenn Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 First thing that struck me, no nose seam. Neil me to...I hope it not a early Bachmann type mistake as it will look worse once the yellow painted on. B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Brenn read what I said 3 posts up. The model will include etched metal covers for the boiler steps, side vent and roof filler hatches. There will be a plastic triangular grill for the body side and a plastic blank to replace it if required. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 The headcode panels are also wrong, the centre splits where are inset in to the nose ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Brenn read what I said 3 posts up. The model will include etched metal covers for the boiler steps, side vent and roof filler hatches. There will be a plastic triangular grill for the body side and a plastic blank to replace it if required. That is good Brian if they provide these things - excellent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltic17 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 The headcode panels are also wrong, the centre splits where are inset in to the nose ends. I noticed the 'glass' was sitting a fraction flush in the photo - it does need moving back a fraction but this is only the first sample or it might not have been pressed fully home? - could easily be corrected by the modeller but hopefully Heljan adjust it a fraction. I'm sure Brian will be on the case! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Here are the etched covers for the boiler area. On the back of the D blanks there is a thicker bit to locate it and there is a recessed edge on the roof hatches to locate that. Pictures of the cabs and desk as well. There is also a tail light on/off switch under the nose number two end. These will all be colour matched to there respective liveries. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold pheaton Posted July 11, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Also missing the segmental bearing grease points on the body side (circular holes) below the radiator grills and below the boiler room grills 45/0s, 45/1s they were plated over. Vacuum pipe and strainer and the NON return valve are also quite prominent on the prototype at No2 end drivers side are these going to be moddelled? Edited July 11, 2016 by pheaton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Set to become my sole foray into O, I reckon! Lovely! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Also missing the segmental bearing grease points on the body side (circular holes) below the radiator grills and below the boiler room grills (these would apply to non refurbished 45s only) as they were plated over after that. Vacuum pipe and strainer and the NON return valve are also quite prominent on the prototype at No2 end drivers side are these going to be moddelled? As Heljan will only do one body molding it was decided to do it as a blue era loco to be correct for at least one body style. The pipe you are talking about was included but it got knocked off and I had forgot to put it back on. I will be painting this in blue in a week or two but undecided what to do about the lack of a seam. Do I try and scribe one on or just draw one on after painting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenwall Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 As Heljan will only do one body molding it was decided to do it as a blue era loco to be correct for at least one body style. The pipe you are talking about was included but it got knocked off and I had forgot to put it back on. I will be painting this in blue in a week or two but undecided what to do about the lack of a seam. Do I try and scribe one on or just draw one on after painting? You may be best guided by how Heljan intend to introduce this on the model, if the upper nose is to be cut a tad deeper, resulting in a slightly raise surface, then thin plasticard feathered filled and feathered would be the best, if laborious, route (or at a pinch mask it off give and the upper node a couple of coats of thickish paint). If it is to be an etched line or raised line, then scribing or adding a thin rod/streched sprue would be the best approximation. Paint the line on only if that is what Heljan intend to do. If time does not allow the sort of mod required then leave it off as a painted line would give a false impression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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