For those who like Aircraft pictures

[russ p]

22 hours ago, woodenhead said:

https://www.tasmanchester.com/manchestermemories

 

Lots of lovely classic aircraft shots of old Manchester airport here, including one of the Cyprus 707s noted earlier.

 

Fantastic set of pictures from an era when airliners were far more interesting although probably not as safe

[Ron Ron Ron]

1 hour ago, meil said:

The Vulcan used the Olympus 301 the Concorde used the 501

There were 2 quite different Vulcan bombers.

The early B1 model  (with the smaller and straighter, slightly kinked delta wing) was powered by various versions of the Olympus 100 series.

They didn’t last in service for very long, with most being retired by 1966 and 67, having only seen between 8 and 10 years frontline service.

 

The later and more successful B2 (with the bigger, curvier wing) used the Olympus 201 & 202 series, with later production models getting the 301.

Some early production B2’s were refitted with 301’s

 

Concorde was powered by the Rolls Royce/ SNECMA Olympus 593

 

The Olympus 593 flying test bed, was a retired Vulcan B1.

 

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Edited April 19, 2020 by Ron Ron Ron

[Fat Controller]

12 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

There were 2 quite different Vulcan bombers.

The early B1 model  (with the pure delta wing) was powered by various versions of the Olympus 100 series.

They didn’t last in service for very long, with most being retired by 1966 and 67.

 

The later and more successful B2 used the Olympus 201 & 202 series, with later production models getting the 301.

Some early production B2’s were refitted with 301’s

 

Concorde was powered by the Rolls Royce/ SNECMA Olympus 593

 

 

 

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I remember there being examples of all three types of V-bomber in the scrap row at St Athan in the late 1960s. Car parking for Air Days was in and around them, the area around the Vulcans being coveted as they afforded the most shade.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Fat Controller

[PenrithBeacon]

The prototype Vulcans had Avon and Sapphire engines

[Ron Ron Ron]

3 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said:

The prototype Vulcans had Avon and Sapphire engines

The first prototype first flew with the Avon and was refitted with Sapphires early on in the test program.

It was later on refitted with Rolls Royce Conways and used as the flying test bed for those engines.

The second prototype was fitted with early versions of the Olympus.

 

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[Ron Ron Ron]

TSR2 engine - flying testbed....

 

https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/registration/XA894

 

 

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[rob D2]

All these experimental jets look like a five year olds drawing of a fighter !

 

I bet the TSR2 was tricky to land as small thin wing = high wing loading = high approach speed 

[Metr0Land]

14 hours ago, meil said:

I always wondered why the Vickers Vanguard airframe was not used for the Nimrod rather than the Comet. I would have thought it would have been a much more suitable airframe.

 

IIRC the requirements spec called for the aircraft to be able to dash somewhere and then loiter (which I belive the Nimrod could do on one engine).

[PaulRhB]

1 hour ago, rob D2 said:

All these experimental jets look like a five year olds drawing of a fighter !

 

I bet the TSR2 was tricky to land as small thin wing = high wing loading = high approach speed 

More because of the wobbly undercarriage in reality  
This is well worth a read if you want one of the most definitive looks at its story. 

TSR2: Britain's Lost Cold War Strike Aircraft

Book by Tim McLelland

 

A lot of the research and lessons helped the Tornado development so not as much lost as some sources would have you believe. It looks to have been a pretty good aircraft potentially and the arguments of what it would have become will never be answered because the world that cancelled it might have changed to the polar opposite too. 
I find it a gracefully stark aircraft in white but it lost that grace in camouflage to my eye and looked more like the F111. Mind you I don’t consider the Tornado an elegant aircraft either  

[meil]

 I think the definitive book is "TSR-2 Phoenix or Folly" by Frank Barnett-Jones.

[steve1]

On 18/04/2020 at 11:29, Metr0Land said:

My first flight was Heathrow to Le Bourget with a BEA Vanguard G-APEH

 

G-APEH Vickers Vanguard 953. Glasgow/Renfrew (GLA/EGPF) 1962 by Martin  Stephen, on Flickr

 

That image reminds me of my aircraft spotting days in 1960s. Spent hours at London Airport, as Heathrow was known then. I lived in Slough and then Langley and it was a trip on the no 81 LT bus, a red RT, away or, when I had a decent bike, a cycle ride.

 

Sitting in the Queen’s Building with my sandwiches, a telescope and an air band radio was a great way of passing the time at weekends.

 

steve

[newbryford]

8 hours ago, rob D2 said:

All these experimental jets look like a five year olds drawing of a fighter !

 

I bet the TSR2 was tricky to land as small thin wing = high wing loading = high approach speed 

 

Specification included Mach 0.95 at 200ft.

I bet that was tricky!

 

Later variants were to have variable geometry wings.

 

(Resisting the urge to build my 1:48 Airfix kit.....)

 

Which also reminded me to look up the BBC documentary about jet aircraft development.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01m81f5

 

[Ozexpatriate]

11 hours ago, russ p said:

an era when airliners were far more interesting although probably not as safe

If I recall correctly there was a Comet in there, so definitely not as safe - sadly.

[St Enodoc]

5 hours ago, steve1 said:

it was a trip on the no 81 LT bus, a red RT

140 (also an RT in those days) all the way from Mill Hill Broadway for me!

[Chris hndrsn]

On 03/10/2019 at 10:43, Jeff Smith said:

Puzzling - Bombing up looks like a model diorama due to the unfocused bomb.  Not sure about most of the rest, heavily edited and maybe colourised  real pictures?

More importantly, the crew are all too old and well fed!

[mezzoman253]

On Sunday, the 9 ran from Becontree Heath, Dagenham , to Hammersmith, then we'd get the 81 to Heathrow. Normally the 9 ran to Aldgate ,I think. So we'd get the 25, then, the 9 and 81. It usually took about 3 hours, but we went very early in summer, 1st bus out. We cycled it once, took about......................3 hours!

 

I remember Avro Yorks, Elizabeathans, and Air France Du Ponts. 

 

Happy days,

 

Rob

[Lochgorm]

16 hours ago, Ozexpatriate said:

If I recall correctly there was a Comet in there, so definitely not as safe - sadly.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the Comet 4s!

 

Charlie

[Jeff Smith]

Or any with oval windows!

[t-b-g]

Although my dad was too young to be in WW2, he did see active service in Korea.

 

To remember VE Day, I have scanned an old print of his with a late model Spitfire. He didn't note the date or the location but I would guess early to mid 1950s perhaps during the Korean War or shortly after.

 

[vulcanbomber]

 

1. My father's pictures from the Battle of Britain
2. He is in the front row 3rd from the left

[Metr0Land]

1 hour ago, t-b-g said:

Although my dad was too young to be in WW2, he did see active service in Korea.

 

To remember VE Day, I have scanned an old print of his with a late model Spitfire. He didn't note the date or the location but I would guess early to mid 1950s perhaps during the Korean War or shortly after.

 

 

Did your Dad see service elsewhere in the Far East?  Serial looks to be PS854 which saw service in Singapore and Hong Kong but not AFAIK Korea.  It, and PS852 have some claim to fame of sorts:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Powles

[t-b-g]

39 minutes ago, Metr0Land said:

 

Did your Dad see service elsewhere in the Far East?  Serial looks to be PS854 which saw service in Singapore and Hong Kong but not AFAIK Korea.  It, and PS852 have some claim to fame of sorts:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Powles

 

I appreciate that. Thanks very much. Dad did spend time in Hong Kong at Kai Tak, so that could very well be the location.

 

That does look like another Spitfire at the far end, so maybe that is PS852, which was the record breaker!

Edited May 8, 2020 by t-b-g

[steve1]

36 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

 

I appreciate that. Thanks very much. Dad did spend time in Hong Kong at Kai Tak, so that could very well be the location.

 

That does look like another Spitfire at the far end, so maybe that is PS852, which was the record breaker!

 

And a Vickers Vampire between them.

 

steve

[t-b-g]

8 minutes ago, steve1 said:

 

And a Vickers Vampire between them.

 

steve

 

Indeed. I have another one, not scanned yet, taken from slightly further back and in front of the Spitfire is a Mosquito.

[Metr0Land]

A bit more here (the terrain looks very similar to t-b-g's photo):

 

http://www.worldofindie.co.uk/?tag=raf-kai-tak