hmrspaul Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 My info is correct, not speculation. See Minerva website. Minerva Model Railways, the independent company formed by Chris Basten and Chris Klein, announce the manufacture of a finescale, injection-moulded 0 gauge model of the Great Western Railway 57XX/8750 0-6-0 pannier tank locomotive in 7mm scale (1:43.5, for 32mm standard gauge). It is Minerva’s third model and follows the acclaimed Peckett E Class 0-4-0ST locomotive produced in 2015 and the Kerr Stuart Victory 0-6-0T locomotive launched in 2016. It will be manufactured in the same factory as the Peckett and Victory. Delivery will be mid 2017. Please accept my Apologies. I thought you were joking. With Lionheart having done a pannier, which I understand have been reduced in price, and Dapol announcing another I didn't think you, or Minerva, could be serious! Although I saw many Panniers, apart from the 15xx I couldn't tell any of the post WW1s apart! http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brsteam/eea6c1d0 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium maq1988 Posted September 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2016 Well I was hoping for another small industrial, but a 57xx is even better news. I've been after one for a while. I look forward to seeing it being developed. BR Late Crest for me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted September 3, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3, 2016 Oh dear - I think I had better not go to the Reading O gauge event this year (I only go to look you'll understand and to usually buy some 'scale free' items). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Up against Dapol then, I suspect Dapol tried to get in first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted September 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2016 Please accept my Apologies. I thought you were joking. With Lionheart having done a pannier, which I understand have been reduced in price, and Dapol announcing another I didn't think you, or Minerva, could be serious! Although I saw many Panniers, apart from the 15xx I couldn't tell any of the post WW1s apart! http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brsteam/eea6c1d0 Paul Masterpiece have also just announced a 57xx recently: it may be a different market, but its reasonable to suppose those now forking out for the more expensive one are less likely to be in the frame for one or maybe more of these that might have been if there was only one choice. These clashes are unfortunate for all parties and it would be a shame if it affects sales adversely as ultimately we are all better off with more suppliers. Good luck to Minerva with it though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Not my bag really but I could be tempted by a LT version Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 I imagine that Minerva's will arrive first, given their track record, unless Dapol's is very well advanced and they've resolved their slow delivery problems. My only interest is in whichever one may be the easiest to backdate to an earlier class, as running in the early 1900s. If both of them flood the market, and I can pick up a bargain to knock about, when both companies are desperate to reduce their unsold stocks, I won't complain. But it wouldn't be good for O gauge in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted September 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2016 Whilst the 57xx is a popular model, I can't see that there is the market for 2 new RTR models in 0 gauge. Suspect that there may well be some very good bargains coming up at some point. That could be enough to tempt me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boeing7572t6 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Well I'm sorry, this really is a huge disappointment. Yet another bl**dy ex GWR loco, and a pannier!! I concede the following that railway has, but couldn't we have had something from the other members of the "big four"? Yes I know Minerva can't please everyone but there are so many other choices that would have avoided the duplication in 7mm RTR. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warspite Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Just a tad disappointed that it's not another industrial which Ixion/Minerva have done so well. However, with five industrials to date, we can't really complain! Perhaps not a surprising choice given Chris K's penchant for South Wales colliery lines and the number of 57xx which went into NCB hands. Will we see '7754' moved from Mountain Ash to Cwm Bach? Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Just like buses, eh? You wait for ages, then..... Going by Dapol's record, Minerva Panniers should arrive & sell out first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Well nobody saw that one coming in our little guessing game!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
south_tyne Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Well I'm sorry, this really is a huge disappointment. Yet another bl**dy ex GWR loco, and a pannier!! I concede the following that railway has, but couldn't we have had something from the other members of the "big four"? Yes I know Minerva can't please everyone but there are so many other choices that would have avoided the duplication in 7mm RTR. Bob To be fair to Minerva I'm sure this has been in the planning for a while and long before the Dapol announcement. Duplication is unfortunate but just one of those things. On it being a GWR loco... well it is all about the market and what sells and it is also Chris' area of interest. I'm not a GWR modeller either but nobody is forcing you to part with your money! Best of luck to Minerva and I'm sure it'll fly off the shelves! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
81A Oldoak Posted September 3, 2016 Author Share Posted September 3, 2016 We started researching and gathering information for the GWR 57XX/8750PT many months ago and we plan future production over a two to threeyear time cycle with our factory. We committed cash to the Pannier a few months ago and are well advanced with the design phase. We had long planned to announce the new model at Telford this year thinking that the 60th Anniversary show was a good occasion to do so. Our plan is to have the model ready for delivery during the third quarter of of 2017 and I believe we should be judged by the track record I have established with Ixion and Minerva. Regards, Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 You will be judged by your track record as will Dapol, if I was looking for an O gauge 57xx, I would have no hesitation pre ordering a Minerva product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Fantastic news, put my name down for one today Out of interest Chris you've listed 4 batches on your website, is there an idea of time frame between the batches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted September 3, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2016 Firstly, may I say that I own steam locos from both Dapol and Minerva. Both of then run very well, and I'm pleased with my purchases. The Dapol Terrier has been resprayed and lined out to represent a fictitious LNER loco, and may at some time receive a new or heavily modified body which would represent a J79. Having lived in Darlington or Stockton all my life I'm planning a LNER / BR NE layout, so a Pannier tank would not fit in, no matter how much I bend rule #1. My feelings are that Minerva will be first to market with the Pannier, and possibly win the lion's share of the sales. I'd rather have it that way as Minerva have so far only produced O gauge locos, and its more than likely that the success and profits from one loco pay for the development and production of the next model. With Dapol producing models in 3 gauges they must have a wider customer base, and could possibly not be too badly affected by being second to market with the Pannier. I'm not wanting to bash Dapol - I have an 08 on order. To keep the balance, I also have a Minerva Victory on order, which will serve the goods yard on my layout, which will be run as a private enterprise and uses industrial locos (Peckett and Victory). It must also be a relief to Little Loco Company, who are planning Jxx LNER locos. Realistically the smaller manufacturers need to be first with never before released RTR models to make a decent return on their investments and allow further models to be produced. Ramble mode off! If a Dapol Terrier can be repainted into LNER livery, couldn't the same logic make a pannier tank into something industrial? A number of GWR panniers did end up in private use and there were industrial pannier tanks at work in the North East, so there is some pedigree there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 But which will have daylight under the boiler and at least some representation of the inside motion? TBF to both manufacturers the 57xx was the fairly obvious choice, and I'm sure your market research reached that conclusion. It is a shame and I can't think that the good folks at Dapol or Minerva are any too pleased about the duplication. I do hope it doesn't come to a price war as everyone will lose out. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEDSBEE Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 But which will have daylight under the boiler and at least some representation of the inside motion? TBF to both manufacturers the 57xx was the fairly obvious choice, and I'm sure your market research reached that conclusion. It is a shame and I can't think that the good folks at Dapol or Minerva are any too pleased about the duplication. I do hope it doesn't come to a price war as everyone will lose out. Ed I hate those price wars, I feel like I've really lost out if I can't pay full price!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 But which will have daylight under the boiler and at least some representation of the inside motion? Ed "Representation"..??!!?? For that price I was expecting fully working inside motion!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I hate those price wars, I feel like I've really lost out if I can't pay full price!!! That's fine if you only want the one loco, but if you want any more models there needs to be money in it for the manufacturers and retailers. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Early BR crest will do me. Got very confused by the variations. But that's good for some. I've seen a few panniers lately and have been quietly impressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Timing will be right for me as I should have completed the main layout infrastructure by then, I hope. So a Pannier present at next years Telford show will be good. I'll be going the full sound & dcc route, just maybe not all at the same time. Great model choice for me, mine will be a grumpy old and dirty industrial use one. I don't know all the details of the breed so some research and photos will have to be done. It's a great choice for your next loco thank you to the two Chris's. Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirtleypete Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I'd have expected a 56xx if it had to be GWR and south Wales. Personally I'm hugely frustrated with this GWR myopia, but I know others won't agree. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 Personally I'm hugely frustrated with this GWR myopia, but I know others won't agree. Peter I'm frustrated by the "modern image" myopia, as a mainly pre-grouping modeller! GWR models in O gauge cause unwanted temptation though, as I'm trying to restrict my O gauge modelling to Colonel Stephens, and just do GWR in 4mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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