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Heljan Churchward Mogul in 7mm scale


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Simple economics am afraid. A BR Standard can only be correctly produced in BR livery. A big 4 loco has that livery as well and ok there may be detail variations such as tender or top feed but it appeals to a wider market. The post nationalisation market is by far the largest but if the tooling can be stretched a bit further then the bean counters are pleased. The 43xx also has the R.O.D. Livery. I'm not a 7mm modeller but as the blue boys don't look like reworking the old Mainline version any time soon, this has the potential to be a good investment if the CAD can be scaled down.

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The class2 moguls were painted in lined black and faux GWR lined green. They could be seen all over the place (often on one-coach trains) and were light enough for most lines, Also had a tender cab so no turn-table needed. I suspect it would not be too difficult to produce the Ivatt LMS loco at the same time which would allow LMS livery and extend the area where they could be seen.

 

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One wonders. Having done the prairie, Heljan do the mogul because many/some of the parts are common to both. In doing so they do the tender.   What other engines used these tenders and might conceivably follow in due course  - always assuming the mould(s) has/have been spec'd for extended use?

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Not remotely concerned this early but the tender buffers seem to be a sort of morphing of taper and parallel!

 

I only mention it as it reminds us this is an engineering process and not necessarily a modeller with a gift for design!

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I realize that the virtual images are only representative of the final model but I am puzzled as to which of the many 43xx variants they are meant to represent.  To suggest that there were only 2 versions "early" and "later B.R." is an over simplification IMHO. It is hard to be certain in the absence of a 'side on' image but it looks as if the model has the 'County' (4-4-0) cab which was, IIRC, 9" longer (as were the frames) than the first series 4301 -20 which had the short 'Saint' cab. This puts the model in the batches from 4321 to around 5380 when splashers, cab roofs and then motion brackets started to change, however for an "early" loco it should have the copper capped parallel chimney whereas the image shows the later tapered cast iron chimney which shouldn't have a copper cap.  Further, just adding outside steampipes and Collett buffers does not make it a B.R. version as many went to the scrapyards still with inside steampipes and Dean buffers.

Sorry if this sounds pedantic ( I've got a bit of a 'bee in my bonnet' about Moguls - see my posts elsewhere) but if I were to spend the best part of 800 quid on a mass-produced model I'd want it to be correct. I am glad however that Heljan are at least trying.

BTW the 3500g. tenders were re-used from withdrawn locos and 'pooled' to a degree. IIRC 7812 had a 1908 built tender when withdrawn so these tenders could appear on 28xx, 78xx, some 68xx but most Collett goods had 3000g. ones and some even had 2500g. or 4000g. ROD ones.

Ray.

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I realize that the virtual images are only representative of the final model but I am puzzled as to which of the many 43xx variants they are meant to represent.  To suggest that there were only 2 versions "early" and "later B.R." is an over simplification IMHO. It is hard to be certain in the absence of a 'side on' image but it looks as if the model has the 'County' (4-4-0) cab which was, IIRC, 9" longer (as were the frames) than the first series 4301 -20 which had the short 'Saint' cab. This puts the model in the batches from 4321 to around 5380 when splashers, cab roofs and then motion brackets started to change, however for an "early" loco it should have the copper capped parallel chimney whereas the image shows the later tapered cast iron chimney which shouldn't have a copper cap.  Further, just adding outside steampipes and Collett buffers does not make it a B.R. version as many went to the scrapyards still with inside steampipes and Dean buffers.

Sorry if this sounds pedantic ( I've got a bit of a 'bee in my bonnet' about Moguls - see my posts elsewhere) but if I were to spend the best part of 800 quid on a mass-produced model I'd want it to be correct. I am glad however that Heljan are at least trying.

BTW the 3500g. tenders were re-used from withdrawn locos and 'pooled' to a degree. IIRC 7812 had a 1908 built tender when withdrawn so these tenders could appear on 28xx, 78xx, some 68xx but most Collett goods had 3000g. ones and some even had 2500g. or 4000g. ROD ones.

Ray.

 

Heljan's facebook post quotes thus

 

"The model will be based on the prototype locomotives 4321 - 4399 and 5300 - 5383"

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