norman Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Not that i was in the market for one, but tender only pick ups would be a no sale for me. Although unusual I see no real difference between pickups on 6 wheels on the loco v 6 on the tender. Both would have been a better solution but if it works and I don't see why it would not then the choice is irrelevant. Norman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The tender pick up only has defo put me off just don't understand that approach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Huxley Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 (edited) Although unusual I see no real difference between pickups on 6 wheels on the loco v 6 on the tender. Both would have been a better solution but if it works and I don't see why it would not then the choice is irrelevant. Norman It's not not so good because a tender has a much shorter wheelbase. Better to spread the pick up over a longer distance and have it on all wheels. For a company like Heljan to scrimp on the perfection of good running is unbelievable. I would love to know the reasoning behind their decision not to put on all wheels. Mike Edited January 15, 2019 by Mike Huxley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rprodgers Posted January 16, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2019 Do we know the reasoning for pickups only being from the tender? As the power needs to be fed to the motor in the locomotive it seems an unnecessary complication. R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I know not all locomotives can have all features but you'd think pickups would be one you'd stick to... Especially since there are wires running across the draw bar anyway. Seems a very odd choice. Probably not hard to add some or a stay alive job on DCC, but for 700 plus notes that's a bit of a downer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 It's not not so good because a tender has a much shorter wheelbase. Better to spread the pick up over a longer distance and have it on all wheels. For a company like Heljan to scrimp on the perfection of good running is unbelievable. I would love to know the reasoning behind their decision not to put on all wheels. Mike Hi Mike Yes perhaps a good reason; the Mogul 43xx has a wheel base of 7'9"+ 7'0" making a total of 14'9" on the drivers whereas a Churchward 3500 gallon tender is 7'6" + 7'6" making a total of 15'0". So for practical purposes we can say both the same or the tender is marginally the longer wheel base. Norman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 17, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2019 Hi Mike Yes perhaps a good reason; the Mogul 43xx has a wheel base of 7'9"+ 7'0" making a total of 14'9" on the drivers whereas a Churchward 3500 gallon tender is 7'6" + 7'6" making a total of 15'0". So for practical purposes we can say both the same or the tender is marginally the longer wheel base. Norman There’s always one: Why spoil all the fun?! I was hoping we’d get a flood of Dapol and Minerva products sold off for being too short. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Huxley Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Hi Mike Yes perhaps a good reason; the Mogul 43xx has a wheel base of 7'9"+ 7'0" making a total of 14'9" on the drivers whereas a Churchward 3500 gallon tender is 7'6" + 7'6" making a total of 15'0". So for practical purposes we can say both the same or the tender is marginally the longer wheel base. Norman Norman, From my last 50 years in railway modelling, I was always taught to add as many rail pick ups as was possible to a loco, and if not possible from a loco, then add them to attached stock. Even if the wheelbase of the tender is longer than the wheelbase of the loco, the more you have, the less chance of poor running. The model may well run on straight track, but across turnouts and crossings this would improve smooth running. So, I still cannot see why Heljan have not employed this time experienced solution on this Loco. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rprodgers Posted January 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2019 Model Rail appeared to have missed a lack of pick ups on the locomotive in their review. Do we know for certain it iis correct about the pick ups? If so it seems a strange decision R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adrian Stevenson Posted January 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2019 The review in this month's Railway Modeller does not mention the pick up arrangement. Hopefully there will be some at the Bristol O Gauge show next weekend to examine in person. Cheers, Ade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 It wouldn't surprise me if they had been missed. It's not the sort of thing you normally have to check to see it's there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 All are now in stock and I have just finished adding the images! Take a look: https://railsofsheffield.com/groups/2575/o-gauge-43xx-mogul?fbclid=IwAR0udmhxc0UKZTVzHG1mYaXH1-t4o-S1p4w-U9UrGWlt0tGRVNkyf7gbM_s 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
89A Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hi Oliver Do the BR versions come with running numbers to be fitted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hi Oliver Do the BR versions come with running numbers to be fitted? Hi, Yes that is correct. The number plates are supplied in the accessory pack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
89A Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Thank You Oliver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpgibbons Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Can someone please advise when the loco in the form modelled by Heljan would have first appeared? Earlier comments suggest that it is based on lots built during WW1 but no doubt there were later modifications. Edited January 24, 2019 by dpgibbons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gismorail Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Has the man at Rails of Sheffield looked to see how many pick-ups the loco has pleased ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Can someone please advise when the loco in the form modelled by Heljan would have first appeared? Didcot, c 1973. Everything else is an approximation to some degree, but the Heljan effort is a reasonable depiction of a condition first appearing in the mid- to late-20s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Has the man at Rails of Sheffield looked to see how many pick-ups the loco has pleased ??? Better still, slide a piece of cardboard under the tender. If it still moves under power you’ve discovered conductive paper so send that with exact details of where to buy it please! Edited January 25, 2019 by Hal Nail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Huxley Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Has the man at Rails of Sheffield looked to see how many pick-ups the loco has pleased ??? I have been reliably informed that there are only pick-ups on the tender. Therefore one of my reasons for cancelling my pre order. I will wait and see what the overall reviews of this model are and it's running qualities before buying. Splashing out almost £700 is a big risk if it doesn't perform well, even if it looks good. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr chapman Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I have been reliably informed that there are only pick-ups on the tender. Therefore one of my reasons for cancelling my pre order. I will wait and see what the overall reviews of this model are and it's running qualities before buying. Splashing out almost £700 is a big risk if it doesn't perform well, even if it looks good. Mike The review in Hornby magazine says it runs nicely, on perfectly clean track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Oh dear. Heljan has cocked up the length of the front of the tender frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Oh dear. Heljan has cocked up the length of the front of the tender frame. Well hello Miss Prism Such language from a lady of your standing; but please explain the perceived discrepancy with the tender frame. Norman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 (edited) Such language from a lady of your standing; but please explain the perceived discrepancy with the tender frame. Well, I had some images this morning (on Hatton's website I think) which have subsequently disappeared, and I can't find anything in my browser history (but then that wouldn't record popups anyway). I'll dig around in my cache to see if anything is still there. Edited January 25, 2019 by Miss Prism Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rprodgers Posted January 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 25, 2019 Is the front of the tender top too far out ...there is a suggestion to me that the photo may not be taken fully "square end on" compared to the plan What caught my eye was the difference at the top of the steps on the Heljan where it the line of it "flares out" at the top ... a change to a later batch of 350 gallon tenders? R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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