Chuffed 1 Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 (edited) I see the next H has been advertised by Hornby, 31177 in as-31518 condition but with cycling lion crest. A shame really that they chose this number as it lost its early crest (I believe) in early 1960. They could have chosen 31543 instead, which lasted with E/C until withdrawal in July 1963. Also, though the chimney now seems more accurate, it should have SR standard stepped buffers to the rear. I wonder why Hornby choose the numbers they do. The next LN is a case in point, reboilered and recrested in 1958 when there were E/C locos that lasted into 1961. Give your locos more historical shelf-life, Hornby! Edited December 3, 2019 by Chuffed 1 wrong term! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 Who's had success chipping their H class locos? I've tried the Hattons direct 8-pin, but that doesn't seem to want to work for whatever reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gz3xzf Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I used a TCS DP2X-UK in mine with no issues, I learnt with the Oxford Radial that the Gaugemaster direct plug is slightly thicker than the TCS one; there is a chance that the Hattons one suffers from the same problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 TCS DP2X UK in mine too! It defo fits. I have used other TCS chips and find them good though cannot comment on durability as not frequently operated. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 TCS "chips" aka to those of us across the ocean as "decoders" are almost the standard replacement in the US for non-sound DCC when the cheap decoder from the manufacturer fails. Better yet their Keep Alive capacitors can defeat the frog polarity wiring requirement of Peco electrofrog turnouts and short comings of unifrogs on tender style steam locomotives. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rising Standards Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 A Zimo MX616R will sit neatly beneath the DCC socket, and its wires are just the right length to coil around the socket a couple of times so that body fitment and removal isn't hampered by having to keep them out of the way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2996 Victor Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 Hi, As a non-SE&CR afficionado that simply likes these locos and would like to have one in his display cabinet, I apologise if this has been covered earlier in this thread. However, I can't seem to find a definitive statement to this effect, so how accurate is the model overall? Am I correct in thinking that only the earliest (first fifteen?) locomotives had the straight-sided bunkers? If so, are there or will there be a release of this version in the full Wainwright livery? All the best, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, 2996 Victor said: Hi, As a non-SE&CR afficionado that simply likes these locos and would like to have one in his display cabinet, I apologise if this has been covered earlier in this thread. However, I can't seem to find a definitive statement to this effect, so how accurate is the model overall? Am I correct in thinking that only the earliest (first fifteen?) locomotives had the straight-sided bunkers? If so, are there or will there be a release of this version in the full Wainwright livery? All the best, Mark Not quite the first fifteen. Those built in 1904 were flaired but many of the 1905 batch had straight bunkers. These were 263/5/6/74/6/8 and 530/1/2/3. As for whether or not Hornby will do a straight bunkered in SECR colours, your guess is as good as mine. Lets see what they announce on January 6th (though next year sees an awful lot of SECR locos coming anyway from Rails D class). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold greatcoleswoodhalt Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) On 24/12/2019 at 12:42, JSpencer said: Not quite the first fifteen. Those built in 1904 were flaired but many of the 1905 batch had straight bunkers. These were 263/5/6/74/6/8 and 530/1/2/3. Worth adding that No 263 has a flared bunker in preservation which is replicated on R3648. Edited December 16, 2020 by jafcreasey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2996 Victor Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, JSpencer said: Not quite the first fifteen. Those built in 1904 were flaired but many of the 1905 batch had straight bunkers. These were 263/5/6/74/6/8 and 530/1/2/3. As for whether or not Hornby will do a straight bunkered in SECR colours, your guess is as good as mine. Lets see what they announce on January 6th (though next year sees an awful lot of SECR locos coming anyway from Rails D class). Thanks for the extra info - I hadn't realised the very first ones were flared as well. My pre-Grouping period is 1905, so I'd want an early one! Thanks again, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2996 Victor Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, jafcreasey said: Worth adding that 263 has a flared bunker in preservation which is replicated on R3648. Hi, Thanks - I think I'd read that somewhere, but also that it's not quite the correct shape of the original? If so, which shape flare does the model replicate? All the best, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 2 hours ago, 2996 Victor said: Hi, Thanks - I think I'd read that somewhere, but also that it's not quite the correct shape of the original? If so, which shape flare does the model replicate? All the best, Mark The model's tooling is for the original flare. To be honest there is not much in it. For me Hornby's 263 should have had later fittings to match the preserved loco that you see on their (Hornby's) BR livery ones which for me is more an eye sore than the flare. 1905 gives you loco numbers (1904 builds) 540/1/2/4/6/8/50 (1905 builds) 259/61/3/4/5/6/9/74/6/8, 500/3/30/1/2/3/51/2/3 to play with. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2996 Victor Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, JSpencer said: The model's tooling is for the original flare. To be honest there is not much in it. For me Hornby's 263 should have had later fittings to match the preserved loco that you see on their (Hornby's) BR livery ones which for me is more an eye sore than the flare. 1905 gives you loco numbers (1904 builds) 540/1/2/4/6/8/50 (1905 builds) 259/61/3/4/5/6/9/74/6/8, 500/3/30/1/2/3/51/2/3 to play with. Thanks again for the extra info. I'm afraid it does rather show my ignorance of the subject! Presumably, the bunker flare means it's correct for more locos, but I'm now confused by the fittings you've mentioned! Cheers, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 3 hours ago, 2996 Victor said: Thanks again for the extra info. I'm afraid it does rather show my ignorance of the subject! Presumably, the bunker flare means it's correct for more locos, but I'm now confused by the fittings you've mentioned! Cheers, Mark The locos aquired extra pipes and bits over their lives. The preserved 263 received a flaired bunker in BR days and also had BR push pull gear (263 for in preservation for example, retains a pipe running out from the left hand side of the cab front which did not exist in SECR days). To date though, 308 and 263 have been produced as the H class would have been in SECR days, except of course 263 should be straight bunker or should retain later fittings to match the preserved loco - especially given that Hornby have tooled this up and they have been released on various models. Instead 263 is basically 308 with a different number and a "The Collector" etched headboard as she was shown at Warley in 2018. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 On 24/12/2019 at 21:41, JSpencer said: Instead 263 is basically 308 with a different number and a "The Collector" etched headboard as she was shown at Warley in 2018. I did point this out to Hornby after release. They originally said 263 would be as preserved and displayed at Warley. When I wrote to them about this missing pipework and indeed missing smokebox rivets of the preservation model, they said it was as 'in service', which is clearly wrong as per the bunker. I gave up at this point. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, G-BOAF said: I did point this out to Hornby after release. They originally said 263 would be as preserved and displayed at Warley. When I wrote to them about this missing pipework and indeed missing smokebox rivets of the preservation model, they said it was as 'in service', which is clearly wrong as per the bunker. I gave up at this point. Apparently when someone from the bluebell showed them round the H at Warley they hadn't quite realised the number of differences. 263 also has lining on the lower cab roof area which apparently they could not produce in the factory. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Pre Grouping fan said: Apparently when someone from the bluebell showed them round the H at Warley they hadn't quite realised the number of differences. 263 also has lining on the lower cab roof area which apparently they could not produce in the factory. I can understand the roof lining limitation, or rather cost of tooling up printing for a one off. What I can't understand is missing off pipework and smokebox detail that is already in the tooling and that would have had had minimal cost implications. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Yeah it doesn't make sense as one of the BR models I think had the right combination of bits and would "just" need a new livery. They took the easy way out and essentially ordered another batch of the one numbered 308 and changed the number so they wouldn't have to go through an extended process of doing a new set of artwork drawings for the new combination. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 24/12/2019 at 21:41, JSpencer said: ..... The preserved 263 received a flaired bunker in BR days ............. A number of the original flat-bunker Hs received flares* in BR days and can be identified by the lack of a beading strip at the base of the flare - this beading has been added to 263 in preservation. * possibly off scrapped brethren 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted January 3, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 03/12/2019 at 23:12, Jack P said: Who's had success chipping their H class locos? I've tried the Hattons direct 8-pin, but that doesn't seem to want to work for whatever reason. I used a Digitrax DZ126PS in mine - after trying a DCC Concepts one and getting a very jerky response. Oddly the DCC Concepts decoder did exactly the same in an M7, but worked perfectly fine in a 700. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gz3xzf Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Nick C said: I used a Digitrax DZ126PS in mine - after trying a DCC Concepts one and getting a very jerky response. Oddly the DCC Concepts decoder did exactly the same in an M7, but worked perfectly fine in a 700. I've used a TCS DP2X-UK chip in mine with no issues. I have found that some chips are not good when first used, what I have tried in the past (doesn't always work, but worth a try) is to run a factory reset, some chips do not support this, check with the manufacturers documentation. The DCC Wiki site has a page dealing with "Decoder Reset". Hope this helps. Edited January 3, 2020 by gz3xzf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Back on - H Class - topic : looks like Hornby are doing 1552 in black with sunshine lettering sometime ................nowt else of interest to me in today's much heralded announcement ( the malachite 'Nelson' ain't my area I'm afraid ! ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Wickham Green said: Back on - H Class - topic : looks like Hornby are doing 1552 in black with sunshine lettering sometime ................nowt else of interest to me in today's much heralded announcement ( the malachite 'Nelson' ain't my area I'm afraid ! ). Seconded, but the Wartime Black H was something I really wanted to see so I'm pleased with that announcement at least! Otherwise all a bit dull on the SR front this year from Hornby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Before anyone else says it, maybe we've been spoilt of late !!?! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 53 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: Before anyone else says it, maybe we've been spoilt of late !!?! A little, but long over due! There's still lots of prototypes to do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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