US Dumper truck

[stock_2007]

I'm sure this will have been asked about before if so I'm sorry, anyway I'm planning a coal loading area at one end of my layout but I'd like one or two road dumper trucks  RTR or kits. The layout is set in the late 60's early 70's. I was unable to find anything on the Walthers site. As always any help is welcome.

[Ozexpatriate]

I don't think i've ever seen a dump truck used for coal. They use the giant trucks in mines, but I don't think that's what you are talking about.

 

Most coal handling would be in some kind of unloading facility (like a rotary dumper) which would have conveyors directly to wherever the coal was used or stockpiled.

 

I suspect home use of coal for heat would have mostly disappeared particularly by the 1970s. Fuel oil was still a common delivery to home furnaces. Doubtless coal is used somewhere - I would think most likely in the Appalachians - places like West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

 

I found this link from Pennsylvania. I Googled coal delivery trucks and most of them were smaller than the usual dump truck - like these.

 

These guys have a lot of trucks.

 

This is listed as a 'coal dump truck', from Walthers as it happens. It looks a bit late for your period.

 

I'm not sure why you couldn't find dump trucks on the Walthers site. I typed "ho dump truck" in their search box and got pages and pages of stuff including this, which is what I first thought of when I read your post.

 

I kept going on the Walthers site. I thought I had remembered a Woodland Scenics coal dump truck. Here it is. It's more 50s than 70s but I imagine it fits what you are looking for.

[Prof Klyzlr]

Dear Stock,

 

I recall seeing 3axle dumpers on small wood truck-tipples on Tony Koester's layouts, suspect you'll be looking at white metal kits for older Kenworth and similar dump trucks... Maybe try Wisemans Model Services? Also google "Ulrich Ho trucks"

 

Happy modelling,

Aim to Improve,

Prof Klyzlr

[PaulRhB]

Yep smaller mines did use normal dump trucks.

For an old truck still in use

http://www.bobthetrainguy.com/classic-metal-works-ho-scale-41-46-dump-truck-black-diamond-coal-co-30379/

 

Or the later 60's type

http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/CMW-30444-HO-1960-Ford-Dump-Truck-Chrome-Yellow-p/cmw-30444.htm

[kryten65]

How about something like these

 

http://www.sheepscotscale.com/site/2009/04/16/mack-ljswx-marion-12-yard-dump-body

 

http://scale-structures.com/af7001

 

Dave

[stock_2007]

Thanks for all the links their a big help. The layout is  along the lines that the road trucks bring coal in from the smaller mines to a N&W loading area

[shortliner]

Photo in a way back MR or RMC of an HO tipper truck on a raised tipple dumping into a hopper car on a siding below - it is somewhere in my collection of other things, but it certainly did happen

[Fat Controller]

Photo in a way back MR or RMC of an HO tipper truck on a raised tipple dumping into a hopper car on a siding below - it is somewhere in my collection of other things, but it certainly did happen

Quite a common practice, I think, though more with other minerals than coal. In the UK, we had Redmire (limestone), Cottesmore (iron ore) amongst others. Try Googling Euclid, Terex and Caterpillar dump trucks.

[tamperman36]

You could also try the Roco mini tanks range for military vehicles, many trucks found use else where after military use and there were plenty of vehicles from WW2 still working around the sixties and early seventies. I can even find a couple of Diamond T wreckers today within 10 miles from my home.

[CraigZ]

Drive in West Virginia coal country...you'll see a lot of coal hauling dump trucks that look like this http://www.travisdewitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/coal_truck_welch_west_virginia_web(pp_w900_h613).jpg Haul coal from smaller mines to tipples to load coal hoppers or barges.  Also, the drivers are lethal maniacs but that's another story...

[Adrian Wintle]

Classic Metal Works did an Ford F-500 dump truck that is about the right vintage (1960). It is a bit on the small side for a truck that takes coal from a mine to a loader, though.

 

Edit. The one PaulRhB linked to.

 

Adrian

[Arthur]

Not N&W territory but Michigan has long had some quite odd and unique weight and axle legislation.

 

There is either no maximum weight limit, or it may be something like 80 tons, but there are strict axle weight limits leading to outfits like these;

 

 

 

They are obviously later than the 1960's. Back then rigid chassis dumpers with a steering axle followed by five or six weight carrying axles were not uncommon. God knows how they went round corners.

 

 

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[Adrian Wintle]

 

 

This is listed as a 'coal dump truck', from Walthers as it happens. It looks a bit late for your period.

 

 

That is the former Boley model, and is about 30 years too modern.

 

Adrian

[kamerad47]

Look for a Athearn b61 or a R model mack dump truck they would work well in the era your talking about!!!!

[stock_2007]

I've found the truck that would be just right for my needs a ATHEARN B Mack 3 axle dumper truck sadly up till now the only place I've seen it is on a auction site over in the states and its up to £23 +pp with a day to go, so I'll try and find  one over here.

Again thanks for the help.

[Adrian Wintle]

I've found the truck that would be just right for my needs a ATHEARN B Mack 3 axle dumper truck sadly up till now the only place I've seen it is on a auction site over in the states and its up to £23 +pp with a day to go, so I'll try and find  one over here.

Again thanks for the help.

 

For your dates a Mack R (also an Athearn product) would probably be better, but a Mack B wouldn't be out of place either. Unfortunately, neither is current in the Athearn catalog, so auction sites or old stock is your only choice. The Athearn trucks are very nicely detailed, hence the high prices.

 

Adrian

[DelawareAndHudson]

Just scanned this thread and did not see any mention of Alloy Forms.  AF has kits for exactly what you're after.  

 

http://scale-structures.com/af300

Take a look at their kit for the 1955 Autocar Constructor with 20' box.  They also offer the 20' dump box a la carte so you can combine it with their 1966 Mack DM-800 or R-800 tractor kit and build yourself the ubiquitous butterfly hood heavy duty Mack.  AF also has kits for 1969 Ford LN and LNT that were common as dirt from coast to coast and would look right at home with a 20' coal body, especially the LNT.

 

 

 

Additional links with coal trucks and Appalachia in general.

 

 

Mack

http://www.baileyjavinscarter.com/design/images/i-coalloggingtruckaccidents.jpg

 

 

Love the mint green Mack in this post:

http://www.dewitzphotography.com/personal-photography-projects/pieces-of-me-keystone-tipple/ 

 

 

Assortment of Mack's.  Ignore the modern Granite body style that appears in a couple of the pics.  That's a post-2000 vintage truck.

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/gallery/album/1028-coal-packin39-puppies/

 

 

Another Mack

http://www.coaleducation.org/technology/Transportation_Coal_Prep/images/Truck2.jpg

 

 

http://s73.photobucket.com/user/thaddeusw/media/73202617.jpg.html

 

 

More Mack's and a couple of Autocar's.  These two Autocar's are too modern for your era.

http://hankstruckforum.com/htforum/index.php?topic=18765.0

 

 

 

Not really coal truck related, but if you're modeling Appalachia, take some time to look around the Appalachian Railroad Modeling site.

http://appalachianrailroadmodeling.com/

 

 

Jason C

Indiana

[PhilH]

Classic Metal Works do a 1953 White truck.

 

 

 

[shortliner]

May be worth having a word with the 1/87 Scale Vehicle Modellers on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/groups/111554826225/ They seem to have people doing mods to make various vehicles on there, and someone may have what you need, or point you in the right direction

[shortliner]

I noticed this posted by a gent with a German name so may be available through http://www.Ebay.de, on the group linked to in my previous post, this morning - Trucks by Athearn - may be what is required

 

[stock_2007]

Yes that would be just what I need but can I hell find them

[Prof Klyzlr]

Dear Stock,

 

Um, literally just typed "dump truck" into eBay.com, with the category set to "Model Railroads and Trains --> HO Scale",

 

returned 5+ pages of results,

and when pared-down to "just the coal-type 3-axle dumpers" returned approx a page-worth of

- Athearns (US$20-50 + postage), 

- Walthers "SceneMaster" (US$10-15 + postage)

- Herpa/Promotex/Boley (US$10-20 + postage,
some "coal-truck" high siders, but many more low-side dumpers which could be converted to high-side "coal" trucks with simple styrene "hungry board" additions)

- Con-Cor (US$20 + postage)

 

http://www.ebay.com/sch/HO-Scale/19128/i.html?_from=R40&Brand=Athearn%7CBoley%7CCon%252DCor%7CHerpa%7CIHC%7CUnbranded%7CWalthers&_nkw=dump%20truck&_dcat=19128&_trksid=p2045573.m1684

 

Totally accept that some of these are a bit too modern for 1950/60s,
but with a typical coal-hopper-load of weathering and some minor body mods,
I'd suggest that few _train_ people (or "general public viewers") would know the difference... 

 

...and cab-swapping with a 3D-printed older-model MACK/Ford/Diamond-T/International Harvester truck cab from www.shapeways.com is not beyond possibility...
http://www.shapeways.com/search?q=87+truck+cab&type=product )

 

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

[shortliner]

Puitting Athearn 93130 Dump truck - into ebay.com brings up 5 - not cheap - but it depends how badly you need them! .....and how many modelling/beer tokens you can spare

[Prof Klyzlr]

Dear Jack,

 

For the cost of one Athearn + post, one can easily have 3 or 4 Herpa/Promotex or Scenemaster units, or 2-3 Inc replacement "backdated" cabs from Shapeways...

 

Happy modelling,

Aim to Improve,

Prof Klyzlr

[shortliner]

Very true - but I doubt I'll be getting any!