RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted October 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2016 Below is a list of rtr 00 models that can be used or converted to be used on pre-grouping layouts. The selection of the models listed is a bit arbitrary and includes (mainly) the more modern releases. This excludes some notable earlier models that might still be useful even if they do not meet the latest levels of detail. Such models include the Triang - Triang/Hornby singles and their associated coaches (GWR, MR and Caledonian Rly) and the Rocket (which I believe was quite over-scale). I have grouped the models by pre-grouping company. They are described by the term that is most frequently used and may not reflect the original company's identification. I had considered adding the dates of introduction, but because this would start to make the entries less easy format on one line and because in many cases my knowledge is lacking I have left that out, I have included livery options, since if a degree of rebuilding is necessary, it may well be necessary to do a full repaint, so initial livery may not be helpful/useful. It should be noted however that BR versions are likely to include a smoke box number plate that will most likely need to be removed. Please feel free to suggest additions (I feel there are more wagons to be added to the list), corrections as well as other comments about the possibility of using such models and what would need to be done to back date them. LSWR 4-4-2T Adams Radial Hornby available in LSWR livery other liveries available 4-4-2T Adams Radial Oxford Rail available in LSWR livery other liveries available 2-4-0WT Beattie well tank Kernow Models/DJM in BR livery 0-4-4T M7 Hornby available in LSWR livery other liveries available 4-4-0 T9 Hornby available in LSWR livery other liveries available 0-6-0T A1X Hornby available in LSWR livery other liveries are available 0-6-0 700 Hornby LBSCR 0-6-0T E2 Hornby available in LBSCR umber rather crude by modern standards 0-6-0T A1X /Terrier Dapol and Hornby available in LBSCR livery with named towns other liveries available 0-6-2T E4 Bachmann available in LBSCR umber other liveries are available 0-6-2T E4 Bachmann Collectors Club in LBSCR umber and labelled Birchwood - this livery is not authentic for LBSCR and is an as preserved livery. Brake van Hornby in LBSCR livery SECR 0-6-0 C Class Bachmann available in SECR fully lined green other liveries available 0-6-0 C Class Bachmann available in SECR simplified lined green other liveries available 0-6-0 C Class Bachmann available in SECR WW1 grey other liveries available 2-6-0 N Class Bachmann available in SECR WW1 grey (as part of a 2 part set) other liveries are available 0-6-0 A1X /Terrier Hornby available in SECR lined green 3 wagon set Bachmann Collectors Club GWR 0-6-0 Dean Goods Dapol available in post grouping GWR livery 4-4-0 City Class Locomotion Models - City of Truro in pre-grouping livery 4-4-0 City Class Bachmann - in WW1 ochre livery Hornby 38xx County: http://www.gwr.org.uk/pro38xx.html Hornby 2721: http://www.rmweb.co....Hornby-pannier/ Bachmann 45xx: http://www.gwr.org.u...2/maeport20.jpg (from this page: http://www.gwr.org.uk/layoutsmaeport1.html) Lima 4575: http://www.rmweb.co....-small-prairie/ Hornby/Airfix 14xx to 517: http://www.gwr.org.uk/pro517.html Hornby/Airfix Castle to North Star: http://www.rmweb.co....rth-star-4-4-2/ Hornby/Airfix Castle to Star, though an RTR Star now exists: http://www.gwr.org.uk/prostar.html 0-4-0 101 Hornby but is missing the outside valve gear. 2-8-0 28xx Hornby in later GWR and BR liveries 2-8-0T 42xx Hornby in later GWR and BR liveries S&DJR ? MR 4-4-0 4P Hornby available in Midland livery - a bit long in the tooth 4-4-0 4P Bachmann available in Midland livery as 1000 4-4-0 4P Locomotion Models available in Midland livery as 1000 0-6-0 4F Bachmann available in Midland Black - other liveries are available 0-6-0T 1F Bachmann available in LMS and BR liveries as closed and open cab versions L&YR 2-4-2T Radial tank Locomotion Models - 2 versions of 1008, one with straight "Lancashire Yorkshire", the other with the arched branding. 2-4-2 Radial tank Bachmann available in LMS and BR liveries 0-4-0ST Pug Dapol available in LMS and BR liveries - older model but I believe fairly accurate GNR 0-6-2T N2 Hornby two models available in lined GNR green 0-6-0ST J13 Hornby two models available in lined GNR green 0-6-0T J50 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries 4-4-2 C1 Locomotion Models available in GNR lined green 4-6-2 A1 Hornby available in LNER green - just dips under the pre-grouping wire 2-6-0 K3 Bachmann in LNER/BR liveries ; requires replacement cab and tender for GNR condition 2-8-0 O2 Heljan in LNER /BR liveries; requires replacement cab and tender for GNR condition, GNR versions announced but not (yet) released GER 0-6-0 J15 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries tender Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries with LNER rebuild D16/3, but suits many later GER classes, B12, D15 and 16, J's 17 to 20 NER 0-8-0 Q6 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries. The locos underwent substantial rebuilding through their lives and the model represents the very late LNER condition. 0-6-0T J72 Mainline, then Bachmann in various LNER and BR liveries including the York pilot pseudo NER livery.. GCR 4-4-0 Director Locomotion Models available in GCR lined green 4-4-0 Director Bachmann available in LNER and BR liveries 0-6-0 J11 Bachmann Collectors Club available in GCR lined black 0-6-0 J11 Bachmann available in LNER and BR liveries 2-8-0 8K/ROD Locomotion models in GCR lined black 2-8-0 ROD Bachmann in LNER and BR liveries 3 wagon set Bachmann Collectors Club - one of the three has a return to LNER marking and is not GCR. LNWR 0-8-0 G2 Bachmann available in LMS and BR liveries - Belpaire firebox, so just under the wire - seems to be insufficient room to backdate to round topped firebox NBR 0-6-0T J83 Hornby in LNER livery 0-4-0ST Y9 Using Hornby Caledonian "pug" as donor 4 plank open wagon Oxford Rail in NBR grey 3 plank open wagon Hornby in NBR grey Caledonian 0-4-0ST Hornby in CR blue other liveries available. The model is a long way from accurate and a lot of work is needed to get a representative version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted October 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2016 Thanks for that Andy. This thread could contain the overview list, and then other threads can discuss specific subjects. A few GWR additions: Hornby 38xx County: http://www.gwr.org.uk/pro38xx.htmlHornby 2721: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64814-backdating-the-Hornby-pannier/Bachmann 45xx: http://www.gwr.org.uk/layouts2/maeport20.jpg (from this page: http://www.gwr.org.uk/layoutsmaeport1.html)Lima 4575: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/66066-backdating-the-lima-small-prairie/Hornby/Airfix 14xx to 517: http://www.gwr.org.uk/pro517.htmlHornby/Airfix Castle to North Star: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/67914-castle-to-north-star-4-4-2/Hornby/Airfix Castle to Star, though an RTR Star now exists: http://www.gwr.org.uk/prostar.html And some rather elaborate ones which involves mixing several items and getting into scratch/kit building territory:14xx+57xx/8750 to 633: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78444-gwr-633-0-6-0t-from-14xx/County tank from Airfix loco body/County chassis/Dapol, kit: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/81199-gwr-county-tank/ Several of these are from Stefan's wonderful projects described on here a few years ago (Stefan we miss you!). Below is Stefan's take on a backdated Dean Goods, which I think proves just what can be done with projects like these. Link to thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/62553-backdating-a-mainlinehornby-dean-goods/ Edited to add more items. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Thanks for that Andy. This thread could contain the overview list, and then other threads can discuss specific subjects. A few GWR additions, the first four are fairly obvious, the fifth one rather elaborate. The sixth as been made redundant by an RTR item. 38xx County: http://www.gwr.org.uk/pro38xx.html 2721: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/64814-backdating-the-Hornby-pannier/ 45xx: http://www.gwr.org.uk/layouts2/maeport20.jpg (from this page: http://www.gwr.org.uk/layoutsmaeport1.html) 14xx to 517: http://www.gwr.org.uk/pro517.html 14xx+57xx/8750 to 633: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/78444-gwr-633-0-6-0t-from-14xx/ Castle to Star, though an RTR Star now exists: http://www.gwr.org.uk/prostar.html Though, back-dating the RTR Star to pre-WW1 condition might be worth consideration. Lose the whistle guard, move the top lamp bracket, add brass beading to splashers and cab, and open up those port-hole windows! Anything else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted October 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 4, 2016 Though, back-dating the RTR Star to pre-WW1 condition might be worth consideration. Lose the whistle guard, move the top lamp bracket, add brass beading to splashers and cab, and open up those port-hole windows! Anything else? Ah yes, good idea. I've added a bit more to the post above (while you were typing). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Ah yes, good idea. I've added a bit more to the post above (while you were typing). Superb work on that Dean Goods. I recently unearthed a mixed-bag of pre-Group locos acquired during the Armchair Years. One was a white-metal loco labelled as an "Armstrong Goods". It clearly isn't; it's an early lot Dean with round-top fire-box and domeless boiler. It certainly ran when I bought it, so mechanically it is hopefully just a service away from being a runner. The paint job is crude, however, and will need stripping back. My thought would be to convert a Mainline or Oxford Dean to a round-top with the forward mounted dome, and then finish the pair with Indian Red frames. I particularly like these two variants. They are at the same time obviously Dean Goods, but on the other, quite unlike the centre-domed, belpaire version that really represents our image of the class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Well done Andy a great list just what we needed I'm not sure when it was introduced but does the Bachmann 7F in SDJR livery qualify Also the Backman 3F was that released in SDJR livery though I fear they might be either just to late for pre grouping on in a later post grouping form in the case of the 3F Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Below is a list of rtr 00 models that can be used or converted to be used on pre-grouping layouts. The selection of the models listed is a bit arbitrary and includes (mainly) the more modern releases. This excludes some notable earlier models that might still be useful even if they do not meet the latest levels of detail. Such models include the Triang - Triang/Hornby singles and their associated coaches (GWR, MR and Caledonian Rly) and the Rocket (which I believe was quite over-scale). I have grouped the models by pre-grouping company. They are described by the term that is most frequently used and may not reflect the original company's identification. I had considered adding the dates of introduction, but because this would start to make the entries less easy format on one line and because in many cases my knowledge is lacking I have left that out, I have included livery options, since if a degree of rebuilding is necessary, it may well be necessary to do a full repaint, so initial livery may not be helpful/useful. It should be noted however that BR versions are likely to include a smoke box number plate that will most likely need to be removed. Please feel free to suggest additions (I feel there are more wagons to be added to the list), corrections as well as other comments about the possibility of using such models and what would need to be done to back date them. LSWR 4-4-2T Adams Radial Hornby available in LSWR livery other liveries available 4-4-2T Adams Radial Oxford Rail available in LSWR livery other liveries available 2-4-0WT Beattie well tank Kernow Models/DJM in BR livery 0-4-4T M7 Hornby available in LSWR livery other liveries available 4-4-0 T9 Hornby available in LSWR livery other liveries available 0-6-0T A1X Hornby available in LSWR livery other liveries are available LBSCR 0-6-0T E2 Hornby available in LBSCR umber rather crude by modern standards 0-6-0T A1X /Terrier Dapol and Hornby available in LBSCR livery with named towns other liveries available 0-6-2T E4 Bachmann available in LBSCR umber other liveries are available 0-6-2T E4 Bachmann Collectors Club in LBSCR umber and labelled Birchwood - this livery is not authentic for LBSCR and is an as preserved livery. Brake van Hornby in LBSCR livery SECR 0-6-0 C Class Bachmann available in SECR fully lined green other liveries available 0-6-0 C Class Bachmann available in SECR simplified lined green other liveries available 0-6-0 C Class Bachmann available in SECR WW1 grey other liveries available 2-6-0 N Class Bachmann available in SECR WW1 grey (as part of a 2 part set) other liveries are available 0-6-0 A1X /Terrier Hornby available in SECR lined green 3 wagon set Bachmann Collectors Club GWR 0-6-0 Dean Goods Dapol available in post grouping GWR livery 4-4-0 City Class Locomotion Models - City of Truro in pre-grouping livery 4-4-0 City Class Bachmann - in WW1 ochre livery S&DJR ? MR 4-4-0 4P Hornby available in Midland livery - a bit long in the tooth 4-4-0 4P Bachmann available in Midland livery as 1000 4-4-0 4P Locomotion Models available in Midland livery as 1000 0-6-0 4F Bachmann available in Midland Black - other liveries are available 0-6-0T 1F Bachmann available in LMS and BR liveries as closed and open cab versions L&YR 2-4-2T Radial tank Locomotion Models - 2 versions of 1008, one with straight "Lancashire Yorkshire", the other with the arched branding. 2-4-2 Radial tank Bachmann available in LMS and BR liveries 0-4-0ST Pug Dapol available in LMS and BR liveries - older model but I believe fairly accurate GNR 0-6-2T N2 Hornby two models available in lined GNR green 0-6-0ST J13 Hornby two models available in lined GNR green 0-6-0T J50 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries 4-4-2 C1 Locomotion Models available in GNR lined green 4-6-2 A1 Hornby available in LNER green - just dips under the pre-grouping wire GER 0-6-0 J15 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries NER 0-8-0 Q6 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries. The locos underwent substantial rebuilding through their lives and the model represents the very late LNER condition. Backdating is likely to involve major rebuilding and may be more trouble than it is worth. GCR 4-4-0 Director Locomotion Models available in GCR lined green 4-4-0 Director Bachmann available in LNER and BR liveries 0-6-0 J11 Bachmann Collectors Club available in GCR lined black 0-6-0 J11 Bachmann available in LNER and BR liveries 2-8-0 8K/ROD Locomotion models in GCR lined black 2-8-0 ROD Bachmann in LNER and BR liveries 3 wagon set Bachmann Collectors Club - one of the three has a return to LNER marking and is not GCR. LNWR 0-8-0 G2 Bachmann available in LMS and BR liveries - Belpaire firebox, so just under the wire - seems to be insufficient room to backdate to round topped firebox NBR 4 plank open wagon Oxford Rail in NBR grey 3 plank open wagon Hornby in NBR grey Caledonian 0-4-0ST Hornby in CR blue other liveries available. The model is a long way from accurate and a lot of work is needed to get a representative version. Rather stupidly, I failed to scroll up far enough to spot the list this morning. Very helpful, indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Hornby GWR 101 0-4-0T http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/67420-Hornby-class-101-tank-engine-is-real/ I think the Bachmann 57xx has potential for backdating too, as it's very close to the Hornby 2721, but with more detail. Being a cheapskate though, my 57xx is staying as it is, and I've got three 2721s to knock about! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted October 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2016 NER 0-8-0 Q6 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries. The locos underwent substantial rebuilding through their lives and the model represents the very late LNER condition. Backdating is likely to involve major rebuilding and may be more trouble than it is worth. Possibly too pessimistic? JaymzHatstand has converted Hornby's LNER version (which already has the original smokebox door) back to pre-WW2 condition here. Is there much more to it than this? Also, the perennial Mainline/Bachmann J72 should be added to the NER list and is due for reissue with a new mechanism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I clicked agree. Partly due to the latter point, but mostly because I believe in backing up my friends by agreeing with them in public when they are right: yes, you are stupid. I rated your post "Thanks", mainly because there is no "Git" button [smiley face] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I don't know why the Hornby LSWR 700 and T9 classes have been left out. The first superheated 700 appeared in 1919, and by the end of 1922, six of the T9's had been converted. The GNR Pacific has been listed, and the first appeared in April 1922. "Just dips under the wire" admittedly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG John Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I rated your post "Thanks", mainly because there is no "Git" button [smiley face] I thought that's what "Friendly/Supportive" was used for, in a sarcastic/cynical "poor old git needs some sympathy" sort of way. I get the impression some use it that way on some of my posts, when I'm trying to gain as many "Funnies" as possible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 I thought that's what "Friendly/Supportive" was used for, in a sarcastic/cynical "poor old git needs some sympathy" sort of way. I get the impression some use it that way on some of my posts, when I'm trying to gain as many "Funnies" as possible John, so young and yet so cynical! Still, a problem one, because it seems to cover every from "sorry to hear that", "chin up!", and "good for you!" through to "that was so not funny, cue tumbleweed and mournfully tolling bell" , and "how I pity you!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted October 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2016 The LNWR G2 is a bit of an oddity and has caused me some pondering. According to the LNWR books, the first to be converted to Belpaire fireboxes didn't happen until after the grouping. However, they were put back into traffic still carrying LNWR livery and numberplates. Is that a "pre-grouping" loco or not? Luckily, "Narrow Road" is set in the immediate post grouping period, so that condition and livery was just right for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted October 4, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2016 Thanks for the inputs so far. Where you have pointed out omissions I have added them to the list. This includes Mikkel's links to some quite detailed rebuilds which may go beyond what some modellers will want to do. It does raise an question about where does a cut and shut end and scratch building begin? Flying Pig - my comments about the Q6 were based on Jaymzhatstand's back date only being to the early 30s and I knew that there were a series of major boiler modifications prior to that. However the green bible confirms that these changes had minimal external visual impact, so I modified the comment. As for the J72 - no idea why I left that out, I even have one tucked away somewhere. Nick Holliday - the 700 has been added but the T9 was there from the start (see Edwardian's quote). t-b-g - G2s - Wiki has them being built 1921 -1922 so that suggests before grouping - but maybe not amalgamation with the L&YR. There are quite a few items that only just meet the 31st December 1922 cut point, but do we ignore them for that? Anyway everyone. Please feel free to suggest further additions. I consider this to be our list. From here we need to look at what work needs to be done to knock some of these into some sort of pre-grouping order - and for that we should probably have separate threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted October 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 4, 2016 No GWR 28XX, No GWR 42XX? Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 No GWR 28XX, No GWR 42XX? Keith No "XX"s at all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 No "XX"s at all! Oh! Go on then .....X Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Hornbys J83 can join the list for NBR. Could the CR pug join it there as it won't need much more work to be a Y9 than an accurate CR loco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted October 5, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2016 How about a thread describing how the Y9 can/could be produced? There is a dearth of Scottish locomotives in the rtr market and any addition must be welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium t-b-g Posted October 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2016 Thanks for the inputs so far. Where you have pointed out omissions I have added them to the list. This includes Mikkel's links to some quite detailed rebuilds which may go beyond what some modellers will want to do. It does raise an question about where does a cut and shut end and scratch building begin? Flying Pig - my comments about the Q6 were based on Jaymzhatstand's back date only being to the early 30s and I knew that there were a series of major boiler modifications prior to that. However the green bible confirms that these changes had minimal external visual impact, so I modified the comment. As for the J72 - no idea why I left that out, I even have one tucked away somewhere. Nick Holliday - the 700 has been added but the T9 was there from the start (see Edwardian's quote). t-b-g - G2s - Wiki has them being built 1921 -1922 so that suggests before grouping - but maybe not amalgamation with the L&YR. There are quite a few items that only just meet the 31st December 1922 cut point, but do we ignore them for that? Anyway everyone. Please feel free to suggest further additions. I consider this to be our list. From here we need to look at what work needs to be done to knock some of these into some sort of pre-grouping order - and for that we should probably have separate threads. The book I read, quite a few years ago now and I can't remember which one, had them as being built with round top fireboxes and then being rebuilt with Belpaire fireboxes (and presumably new boilers) after a few years. As I say, my LNWR interests are fairly minor and I am no expert, so maybe the book was wrong or I missed something relevant. The OP did mention the possible requirement for some modification to RTR locos to earlier condition, so that is probably where this one fits the criteria. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Andy, if you wish, two more entries for GNR, one for GER GNR0-6-2T N2 Hornby two models available in lined GNR green0-6-0ST J13 Hornby two models available in lined GNR green0-6-0T J50 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries 2-6-0 K3 Bachmann in LNER/BR liveries ; requires replacement cab and tender for GNR condition 2-8-0 O2 Heljan in LNER /BR liveries; requires replacement cab and tender for GNR condition, GNR versions announced but not (yet) released4-4-2 C1 Locomotion Models available in GNR lined green4-6-2 A1 Hornby available in LNER green - just dips under the pre-grouping wire GER0-6-0 J15 Hornby available in LNER and BR liveriestender Hornby available in LNER and BR liveries with LNER rebuild D16/3, but suits many later GER classes, B12, D15 and 16, J's 17 to 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted October 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2016 GNR 4-6-2 A1 Hornby available in LNER green - just dips under the pre-grouping wire I have an old Hornby one of these, it was a tender drive but I have converted it to loco drive. I have always wanted to put it into GNR condition. Does anyone know what needs doing to make it right? I'm not worried about doing major surgery to a loco, as can be seen by my conversion of a Tri-ang M7 into an LBSCR Gladstone class. Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium it's-er Posted October 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 5, 2016 My layout in not set in pre-grouping days, but this is a fascinating topic. Having seen some 'hand wringing' on the Hornby SECR H class thread about the lack of locomotives that can be backdated to pre-grouping times, the list Andy has given us above is much longer, and covers many more companies, than I expected. Wonderful! I'm sure many of us are grateful to Andy for bringing this together - thank you so much. Presumably the H class should go in there too - something like SECR 0-4-4T H Class Hornby 2017 model announced Sept 2016 in SECR lined green, SR olive green and BR early emblem John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted October 5, 2016 Share Posted October 5, 2016 My layout in not set in pre-grouping days, but this is a fascinating topic. Having seen some 'hand wringing' on the Hornby SECR H class thread about the lack of locomotives that can be backdated to pre-grouping times, the list Andy has given us above is much longer, and covers many more companies, than I expected. Wonderful! I'm sure many of us are grateful to Andy for bringing this together - thank you so much. Presumably the H class should go in there too - something like SECR 0-4-4T H Class Hornby 2017 model announced Sept 2016 in SECR lined green, SR olive green and BR early emblem John Indeed. Imagine the hand wringing if they were all released with exclusively pre-Grouping tooling and had to be converted for use in the Transition Era! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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