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45690 Leander passes Norton Fitzwarren 12 Sept 2021, having taken over a Slough - Par

excursion. The loco had previously been stabled, and serviced, at Bishops Lydeard (WSR).

(More available, by request).

 

That was the softener, to make up for not having got around to some updates. (Or much

actual modelling, come to that).

 

But there has been a little, although this is still work in progress.

First an old Triang crane, from E-Bay, sprayed and weathered, but not yet varnished. I was

modifying a flat wgon as a match truck, but came across the one in the pic for £4 in an

antique centre!

 

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The new yard crane in the process of installation, and partly weathered.

 

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These all need a waft with Halfords Matt Laquer. (Unless you know different).

 

And Gwillam Prouse chanced upon this recently, an unusual visitor to Helstonish.

 

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More pics from West Somerset may follow, as I'm currently toping up on inspiration.

 

All the best

TONY

 

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6 hours ago, Mulgabill said:

(More available, by request).

Yes please.

6 hours ago, Mulgabill said:

p.s. Isn't it good we can crop pictures before posting

Yes!  I’m thinking of reporting you to the SPCS (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Signals.)

:-)

Paul.

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13 hours ago, 5BarVT said:

Yes please.

Yes!  I’m thinking of reporting you to the SPCS (Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Signals.)

:-)

Paul.

 

BUT I was trying to protect your sensitivities, by cropping the post out of

the pic.

 

The "True Story" is that some while ago I posted a pic, including the post in situ.

Then realised that from that angle, the post wasn't upright. I tried to straighten it

........... and the inevitable happened........ SNAP!

 

By the time it was repaired, I had remembered that I am still meant to be adding

a "shunt ahead" signal (Is that the correct term?). So the signal was laid there, as

a reminder. Obviously the reminder didn't work, 'cos Gwillam  didn't see it when

he took the pic.

 

 

Leander, again at Norton Fitzwarren 12/9/21

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7822 Foxcote Manor waiting to enter Bishops Lydeard 12/9/21

 

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9351 Makes a spirited exit from BL with a later departue 12/9/21DSC_1298.JPG.fda42bc72522deed7d0bd9597732bb75.JPG

 

I'll share some of my Birthday pics inc Royal Scot, later.

 

TONY

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16 minutes ago, Mulgabill said:

The "True Story" is that some while ago I posted a pic, including the post in situ.

Then realised that from that angle, the post wasn't upright. I tried to straighten it

........... and the inevitable happened........ SNAP!

 

By the time it was repaired, I had remembered that I am still meant to be adding

a "shunt ahead" signal (Is that the correct term?). So the signal was laid there, as

a reminder. Obviously the reminder didn't work, 'cos Gwillam  didn't see it when

he took the pic.

TONY

Yes 'Shunt Ahead' signal (technically a 'Shunt Ahead' subsidiary signal) is the correct term.  So you therefore win this week's 'Signalling Terminology Usage' prize for getting right something which far too many folk get completely wrong far too frequently.  (Provided it is sited beneath the correct running signal of course - which is also something people often get wrong.)

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11 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

Yes 'Shunt Ahead' signal (technically a 'Shunt Ahead' subsidiary signal) is the correct term.  So you therefore win this week's 'Signalling Terminology Usage' prize for getting right something which far too many folk get completely wrong far too frequently.  (Provided it is sited beneath the correct running signal of course - which is also something people often get wrong.)

Tony

I have been wondering about the shunt signal that sat below the home as well. I am wondering if I could butcher a Dapol double home into a home plus shunt but it would mean taking the arm off and moving the gubbins onto the main post! I am sure the Stationmaster would frown if the sunt was left on a bracket sticking out and not on the pole itself!

Andy

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1 hour ago, Andy Keane said:

Tony

I have been wondering about the shunt signal that sat below the home as well. I am wondering if I could butcher a Dapol double home into a home plus shunt but it would mean taking the arm off and moving the gubbins onto the main post! I am sure the Stationmaster would frown if the sunt was left on a bracket sticking out and not on the pole itself!

Andy

I'm a bit confused here Andy.  There was no 'shunt signal' below the Home Signal and as the diagram shows the Home Signal was in fact a splitting sifgnal with No.2 arm reading to the platform and No. 0 arm (a 3 foot arm) reading to the loop/sidings.  So 'all' you need to is take a left hand bracket from Dapol - if that is your chosen starting point - and convert the arm on the doll bracketed out to the left into a 3ft arm.  it's not quite as simple as it sounds because the arm would not be easy to either reduce in size or replace with a suitable etched but it could readily be reduced in length and probably slightly reduced in depth without the removal of material on its top & bottom edges looking too bad.

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1 minute ago, The Stationmaster said:

I'm a bit confused here Andy.  There was no 'shunt signal' below the Home Signal and as the diagram shows the Home Signal was in fact a splitting sifgnal with No.2 arm reading to the platform and No. 0 arm (a 3 foot arm) reading to the loop/sidings.  So 'all' you need to is take a left hand bracket from Dapol - if that is your chosen starting point - and convert the arm on the doll bracketed out to the left into a 3ft arm.  it's not quite as simple as it sounds because the arm would not be easy to either reduce in size or replace with a suitable etched but it could readily be reduced in length and probably slightly reduced in depth without the removal of material on its top & bottom edges looking too bad.

Mike

just the station side of the bridge was a tall pole with a red home signal above an S shunt signal. later the shunt became white with a border. The twin arm Dapols have the ahead on the pole and the second on a bracket as I guess they assume a point - there where two of that pattern as well, one by the point to the loco shed and one on the far side of the bridge for stuff coming in. See http://www.helstonhistory.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/helstonrailway1965i.jpg

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Andy

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1 minute ago, Andy Keane said:

Mike

just the station side of the bridge was a tall pole with a red home signal above an S shunt signal. later the shunt became white with a border. The twin arm Dapols have the ahead on the pole and the second on a bracket as I guess they assume a point - there where two of that pattern as well, one by the point to the loco shed and one on the far side of the bridge for stuff coming in. See http://www.helstonhistory.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/helstonrailway1965i.jpg

regards

Andy

Ah 12/13 - I was thrown when you mentioned 'home signal'. it actually being the Advanced Starting Signal with a Shunt ahead subsidiary.  The generic term is 'stop signal', a home signal is a stop signal carrying out a specific function.

 

I reckon the best starting point for 12/13 would be the Ration Item 462 which is a stop signal with a lower arm distant and from something in a recent ad it looks as if the Ratio 'stick & string' operating method can be converted to power operation using various Peco components.  Although the arm spacing isn't correct for a subsidiary the simple change would  be to use an etched Shunt Ahead arm to replace the distant arm.

 

Finding a subsidiary arm for a stop signal on a separate doll on a bracket structure isn't technically correct as the arm should be subsidiary as its name implies - not so much a problem in daylight but potentially confusing at night when looking at the signal lights.  However I do know of one example where such an arrangement existed - probably for sighting reasons? - and coincidentally it was in Cornwall at Liskeard  - the Up Main. Starting Signal orignally like that when it was a timber bracket structure but reproduced in the same form when the signal was renewed in tubular steel.  There might possibly have been others on the Western but I never saw one (which obviously doesn't mean that there wasn't one somewhere) but the Liskeard one is the only one I have ever seen in photos - hence my knowing that it was in a similar form before it was renewed in tubular steel (in which state I saw and photographed it).

 

https://peco-uk.com/collections/oo-signals/products/gwr-home-and-distant-signal

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52 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

Ah 12/13 - I was thrown when you mentioned 'home signal'. it actually being the Advanced Starting Signal with a Shunt ahead subsidiary.  The generic term is 'stop signal', a home signal is a stop signal carrying out a specific function.

 

I reckon the best starting point for 12/13 would be the Ration Item 462 which is a stop signal with a lower arm distant and from something in a recent ad it looks as if the Ratio 'stick & string' operating method can be converted to power operation using various Peco components.  Although the arm spacing isn't correct for a subsidiary the simple change would  be to use an etched Shunt Ahead arm to replace the distant arm.

 

Finding a subsidiary arm for a stop signal on a separate doll on a bracket structure isn't technically correct as the arm should be subsidiary as its name implies - not so much a problem in daylight but potentially confusing at night when looking at the signal lights.  However I do know of one example where such an arrangement existed - probably for sighting reasons? - and coincidentally it was in Cornwall at Liskeard  - the Up Main. Starting Signal orignally like that when it was a timber bracket structure but reproduced in the same form when the signal was renewed in tubular steel.  There might possibly have been others on the Western but I never saw one (which obviously doesn't mean that there wasn't one somewhere) but the Liskeard one is the only one I have ever seen in photos - hence my knowing that it was in a similar form before it was renewed in tubular steel (in which state I saw and photographed it).

 

https://peco-uk.com/collections/oo-signals/products/gwr-home-and-distant-signal

Easy to do if you don't mind the two arms being a bit too far apart as Mike says.

 

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In this case, the subsidiary arm is a "calling-on" arm rather than a "shunt ahead" but it shows the principle. It's a Peco/Ratio 462 with Scalelink etched arms and a bit of kitbashing thrown in.

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8 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

Easy to do if you don't mind the two arms being a bit too far apart as Mike says.

 

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In this case, the subsidiary arm is a "calling-on" arm rather than a "shunt ahead" but it shows the principle. It's a Peco/Ratio 462 with Scalelink etched arms and a bit of kitbashing thrown in.

I like this a lot, though I plan the earlier shunt signal with the large white S. In your signal do the lamps work as well - one thing I like about the Dapol signals are the tiny LED signal lamps.

Andy

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1 hour ago, Andy Keane said:

I like this a lot, though I plan the earlier shunt signal with the large white S. In your signal do the lamps work as well - one thing I like about the Dapol signals are the tiny LED signal lamps.

Andy

No, the lamps are dummies.

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The matter of illuminated signal lamps in 4mm scale signals poses an interesting question.  if you were looking. at the real thing at the angle from which we observe most of our layouts would you be able to see the light from the signal lamp?   If the lamp is correctly focused and has the right size flame it should be visible from the footplate of an approaching loco within a relatively limited angle of view.

 

Illuminated signals do look nice but inevitably they have to be over-illuminated in order to be seen - unless the layout is virtually at eye level where the could be seen as they should.  And don't forget that even a properly trimmed lamp correctly set did not give a very bright light

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8 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

The matter of illuminated signal lamps in 4mm scale signals poses an interesting question.  if you were looking. at the real thing at the angle from which we observe most of our layouts would you be able to see the light from the signal lamp?   If the lamp is correctly focused and has the right size flame it should be visible from the footplate of an approaching loco within a relatively limited angle of view.

 

Illuminated signals do look nice but inevitably they have to be over-illuminated in order to be seen - unless the layout is virtually at eye level where the could be seen as they should.  And don't forget that even a properly trimmed lamp correctly set did not give a very bright light

Even though my Mid-Cornwall Lines sequence runs from midnight to midnight, the railway room (when in use) is always brightly lit by 12 daylight fluorescent tubes and there is no risk of fog or falling snow. There is, therefore, no point having anything at all illuminated on the layout, least of all signal oil lamps.

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Apologies for the absence,  did have a few pics to share, when we went away to the caravan. But I got distracted with the WSR trains, and you guys were enjoying some great discussions re signals.

 

But now I have news of a job, 55 years in the making, which has been ticked off!

 

First I will tell you a story:

 

On October 3rd 1966, a group of about a dozen from my school Railway Society, ventured down the main line,

From Bristol TM. Alighting at Yatton, for the Clevedon branch, which was on it's final day. We duly rode up and down the branch, sounding the horn, frequently. And generally have far too good a time, considering.

 

During a brief respite from riding, a few of us had a mooch around.

 

At this point I should say I would have been just starting my 2nd year, so just 13.

 

My small group came upon a GWR Do Not Trespass sign, just about hanging onto its post, and located where

a footpath leading to a cricket pitch, crossed the line. A 6th former, who was with us, and who's name I fortunately do not recall, encouraged the sign to obey the laws of gravity, and rest in a blackberry bush. He

did however realise that he might have some difficulty carrying it home on the train. A point confirmed, when

he hypothetically posed the question to the guard. The guards response was that he couldn't ignore it, but

it was open season from the next day.

 

Cue a potential race to recover said sign.

 

Well that was won by me, with some help.

 

And now

 

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After a period in incorrect Chocolate on Cream, and a number dark and dusty corners, it is finally restored, and mounted, about 1 week short of the 55th anniversary

 

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Next task - to try and produce some 4mm scale prints.

 

Who's going to open the book on how long that will take?

 

In other news, I'm planning to go back to the club tomorrow. I wonder how that's going to feel?

 

 

All the best

 

TONY

 

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Can't beat a bit of "liberating" items that would otherwise have been scrapped. I remember being about twelve and people thinking that I was mental for scrounging up old enamel garage related signs.

I'm glad I did, now that "serious collectors" (Bread heads) have jumped on every oddball bandwagon, I can no longer afford them.

Great bit of renovation and good on yer for keeping it all those years.

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