RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2016 Hi all, A long time ago I started to gather the various bits and pieces needed to create a representative rake of wagons as used on the 'Leith Pipes' in the mid to late 1980's. I started so long ago that most of my photo references still have fotopic in the shortcut! But - Fotopic came and went - so now I need to recreate the image bank and get on with modelling the wagons. I've found a few photos but nowhere near the number that I had links to previously! Any/all information related to this topic is welcome - even if you only have a small part of the jigsaw - it will find it's place in the overall picture and information. Please post on here and then the information can be shared by all interested parties. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) I think DaveF, on Flickr, has a set from around Edinburgh that has some shunting at Leith, though offhand I can't remember if it's the pipes or not EDIT: no pipes - tanks and cars in 1987, first pic here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5658338921/in/album-72157626585421144/ Edited October 10, 2016 by keefer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2016 I do have a couple at Leith with pipes, plus others. Morpeth Class 40 down empty pipe wagons Aug 80 C5190 Cramlington South 37180 down pipes 15.34 13th April 88_C9440 Leith Class 08 5th April 91 C15711 Leith Class 08 24th April 92 C16792 If I come across any more I'l post them in due course. David 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted October 10, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2016 Oops! Never noticed the pipes lurking in the background Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60091 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 (edited) Hello Scottish Modeller I've several photos of the Leith pipe train, although the majority are early 90s. IIRC the pipes carried were of two different diameters and the wagons were either BDWs or BDAs. At the time we were interested in the BDWs as these trains must have been among the last vac braked freights on the ECML. 37240 BDWs, Ouston Junction. October 1989 37717 BDAs, diverted near Stillington. March 1993 37716 BDWs, Stillington. March 1993 Hope these are of some use to you. Regards Alan Edited October 10, 2016 by 60091 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted October 10, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2016 Hi all, Thanks for the contributions so far - much appreciated. Just taking a close look at them in an attempt to identify wagon types used. More later.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60091 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Two more from July 1992. 37716 with BQWs near Bradbury. Cheers Alan 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted October 13, 2016 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2016 Hi all, Thanks for the photos so far - much appreciated. I've been going through some of the publications from the period I have a particular interest in and have gained a better idea of what I am trying to achieve. First, though..... The use of the generic 'Leith Pipes' title seem to have been used to cover a range of pipe train operations since the 70's right up to the current period and has been the casue of some confusion. So - I decided I needed to make an attempt at spliting this up - seems to be a good idea (hopefully). Period 1 - 1970's to 1980's Mainly seem to be older Vac Brake wagons in use - possibly until the final extermination of Vac brake stock from the revenue fleet (1993?) Origin and destinations vary. Origin mostly Hartlepool Pipe Mill, onward destination to various places (fill in the gaps). Period 2 - 1980's to 1990's Introduction of Air Brake wagons run down of Vac brake wagons being used. Origin and destinations vary. Origin mostly Hartlepool Pipe Mill, onward destination to various places (fill in the gaps). Period 3 - 1990's to 2000's Totally Air Brake wagons used of varying types dependent on origin, destination and availability. Origin and Destination vary. Origin mostly Hartelpool Pipe Mill, onward destination to various places (fill in the gaps). Period 4 - 2000's to current All flows using Air Brake wagons of varying types, dependent on origin, destination and availablility. Origin and Destination vary. Origin mostly Hartlepool Pipe Mill, onward destination to various places (fill in the gaps). It would help me when you make a contribuion to this if you specify the period the information, photos or links to photos you are giving relates to. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantic Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Can anyone provide any headcodes and departure times of these trains c. 1980, in particular the ones operated by class 25. Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzler17 Posted November 6, 2019 Share Posted November 6, 2019 On 13/10/2016 at 17:38, Scottish Modeller said: Period 3 - 1990's to 2000's Totally Air Brake wagons used of varying types dependent on origin, destination and availability. Origin and Destination vary. Origin mostly Hartelpool Pipe Mill, onward destination to various places (fill in the gaps). The Freight Only Yearbook No2 has a picture of a Hartlepool to Seaham Harbour working. The formation on 14th June 1990 was 20 BQVs all of which seem to have stanchions, 10 of which were carrying 10 pipes and the others 3 (i.e. a much larger diameter). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted November 6, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 6, 2019 From Paul Shannon - Bulk Freight; BDAs converted to BTAs in '97 which had 6 sturdy stachions. Used on Hartlepool to Laurencekirk. Leith coated some with concrete and forwarded to Carnforth for British Gas in Morecambe Bay - pic shows 10/10/92 - 37682 + 19BTWs on 7Z55 Other destination were Bamber Bridge, Yarwell (NVR) and Grantham. Another pic 14/2/97 has 37682 and 37517 on 6X88 06.35 Hartlepool - Inverness for forwarding to Georgemas Junction. Hope that is of use to someone...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 22 hours ago, Davexoc said: From Paul Shannon - Bulk Freight; BDAs converted to BTAs in '97 which had 6 sturdy stachions. Used on Hartlepool to Laurencekirk. Leith coated some with concrete and forwarded to Carnforth for British Gas in Morecambe Bay - pic shows 10/10/92 - 37682 + 19BTWs on 7Z55 Other destination were Bamber Bridge, Yarwell (NVR) and Grantham. Another pic 14/2/97 has 37682 and 37517 on 6X88 06.35 Hartlepool - Inverness for forwarding to Georgemas Junction. Hope that is of use to someone...... On 10/10/2016 at 15:57, Scottish Modeller said: Hi all, A long time ago I started to gather the various bits and pieces needed to create a representative rake of wagons as used on the 'Leith Pipes' in the mid to late 1980's. I started so long ago that most of my photo references still have fotopic in the shortcut! But - Fotopic came and went - so now I need to recreate the image bank and get on with modelling the wagons. I've found a few photos but nowhere near the number that I had links to previously! Any/all information related to this topic is welcome - even if you only have a small part of the jigsaw - it will find it's place in the overall picture and information. Please post on here and then the information can be shared by all interested parties. Thanks Many of the comments are later than you are asking about. In the 1980s BTW were usually Bogie Bolster Cs, (not D's). This finds some of mine https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=btw Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) These trains were what got me hooked to railways in the early 1980s. During 1981 they were worked by a pair of English 25s. The trains from Leith carried light green concrete(?)-coated pipes for a gas field in Morecambe Bay (I think) though I don't know their exact destination. These were big diameter pipes, three or six per wagon? I think six, though I can't remember for sure, a long time ago! The pipes were coated in Leith by a company called Bredero Price (at least that's who did them in the mid 1980s). In 1981 the coated trains ran over the Edinburgh - Carstairs line and we saw them after school, so about 1600 through SW Edinburgh. I remember seeing a pair of 25s on the train in November/ December 1981 but it was dusk so just too just dark to read the numbers. My dad took me to Millerhill the following weekend and the foreman thumbed through his book of workings to see if he could identify them. Alas not, because they had come from Leith and used the Portobello Jn - Niddrie Jn line to access the South Sub, thus avoiding Millerhill :-( The use of 25s must have ended at about the beginning of 1982. My notes below show 47s working the trains in spring 1982. Pipe trains were still operating over the Carstairs line in 1983 but my records show pairs of Scottish 20s, and I'm not sure if they were to the same timetable or frequency. And a bonus for this thread - some of the wagon numbers! Sightings at Curriehill, Carstairs - Edinburgh line: 1982, undated but spring (May?) (still about 1600, IIRC) 47290 922546, 922826, 924502, 924601, 924583 (the trains were much longer, that's all I managed to write down) loaded pipes south 47013 924606, 924470, 922678, 923162, 922809, 922776, 924481, 924026, 923152, 924706 loaded pipes south 47321 924778, 922686, 922446, 922463, 922343, 923187 loaded pipes south 24 March 1983 12.34 20206, 20224 empty pipe train towards Edinburgh 922809, 923175, 922735, 922954, 924421, 922950, 922750 25 March 1983 12.53 20206, 20224 empty pipe train towards Edinburgh (so they had obviously taken a loaded train south in between time) Also, one entry from Longniddry on ECML in May? 1982: 47051 pipe train towards Edinburgh 924731, 922523, 923158 Somewhere I have some of the Class 25 workings so I will post if I find them Edited May 9, 2020 by Fozzy More information 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzy Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 A friend has directed me to this pic of the pipe train at Beattock behind 26s in 1983. Three pipes on the front wagon. https://www.flickr.com/photos/yorkshirerover/9166299334/in/photolist-eXZFrG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishswissernie Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 (edited) Morpeth 11 sept 1981 Penmanshiel 37078 30 April 1987 Edited May 11, 2020 by Irishswissernie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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