RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted January 18, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2017 Hi all, cheers again for the feedback so far. That screw link coupling looks like a solid moulding - can I ask how a tension lock coupling fares with that in place pelase? The vacuum/air pipes (as applicable) and cosmetic coupling need to be removed for the best performance on set-track curves however on finescale layouts it should be possible to retain the brake pipes dependant on the geometry used. All the parts described are separately fitted. Appears to be DCC Concepts flex bullhead track. Flanges in closeup appear to be just skimming the inside chair tops. Bumpy ride? From pix of samples it might run a bit smoother on the PECO version. Or change the wheels. We've 'hand rolled' the wagons on Code 100 as well as DCC Concepts 'Legacy' track, standard Peco code 75 and Peco's new bullhead track with no contact between the chairs and the wheels. Its quite hard to describe but the wagons are more free rolling than any I've seen before. Cheers,Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Hi all, a few points thus far: Hi Andy. Although the physical difference is minimal, adding the second deck style would have significantly increased the sales price as a second chassis would be required to accommodate the strengthening bars, so this is something that we haven't been able to include. Hi Brian. Yes! The vac pipe itself will remain (as the vehicles remained through piped) but the erroneously fitted Vac Cylinder won't be present. Hi Ian. There's no plans at the moment to produce these as the post-1970s Warflats are used more commonly for other military equipment so it isn't currently viable for us to tool them up. Cheers, Dave Hello Dave Thanks for replying. That's a shame. The diamond framed bogied versions all look really good. You've tooled up different parts to represent the flat bed and bolster versions. You've also taken the time and effort to tool up the correct Gloucester bogies for the post 80's refurbished version, all of the Gloucester bogied refurbished versions had the widened decks. It'll be a case of breaking out the micro-strip and super glue to represent post 1980's Warwells. Best Regards Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Was the strengthening of the decks done after the air-braking and re-bogieing, which took place from 1976 onwards, IIRC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Was the strengthening of the decks done after the air-braking and re-bogieing, which took place from 1976 onwards, IIRC? Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted January 19, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2017 Thanks Dave that's all good news Can see at least 3 versions heading through Abbotswood.... Saracen tanks on the Warwell I think Phil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Thanks Dave that's all good news Can see at least 3 versions heading through Abbotswood.... Saracen tanks on the Warwell I think Phil Saracens would be perfect.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_B Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Saracens would be perfect.. Warrior IFVs would be better :-) Just having the warwells is a step in the right direction. Is there any indication from Bachmann that they'll do a modern Warflat? Ian_B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Warrior IFVs would be better :-) Just having the warwells is a step in the right direction. Is there any indication from Bachmann that they'll do a modern Warflat? Ian_B Hi Ian Hattons aren't planning on making the post 80's refurbished Warwells, so Warrior IFV wouldn't be more suitable. Wrong era / won't fit as the decks are not wide enough to safely load them. AFVs from the 80's like FV432, Stalwart, Saracen, Samaritan, Sultan and Combat Engineering Tractors, which are available from S and S models, would fit better. It looks like Oxford rail are planning on making a more suitable Warwell to carry Warriors though.... No indication yet of a modern Warflat from Bachmann....Genesis kits offer a reasonably straightforward kit until RTR becomes available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
South-East Rail Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) Hattons aren't planning on making the post 80's refurbished Warwells, so Warrior IFV wouldn't be more suitable. Wrong era / won't fit as the decks are not wide enough to safely load them. Unless I've missed something, the refurbished Warwell will in fact be produced (see here). There was some question of their not modifying the tooling to suit, though. Ed Edited February 15, 2017 by South-East Rail Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Unless I've missed something, the refurbished Warwell will in fact be produced (see here). There was some question of their not modifying the tooling to suit, though. Ed Hi Ed Please have a look at post 116 / 117. I asked about the post 80's refurbished Warwells. Hattons' Dave said they weren't tooling up the widened decks as the differences were "minimal". Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the diamond framed versions (1943 - 1976 ish, or the Gloucester GPS bogied version (1970s - 1980s), those 2 versions look fantastic and I'm probably going to order some, but they don't correctly represent the Warwells as used now with the widened decks presumably done to facilitate carrying Warrior vehicles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
South-East Rail Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Hi Ed Please have a look at post 116 / 117. I asked about the post 80's refurbished Warwells. Hattons' Dave said they weren't tooling up the widened decks as the differences were "minimal". Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the diamond framed versions (1943 - 1976 ish, or the Gloucester GPS bogied version (1970s - 1980s), those 2 versions look fantastic and I'm probably going to order some, but they don't correctly represent the Warwells as used now with the widened decks presumably done to facilitate carrying Warrior vehicles. Oh I see what you mean - the Warwells decorated in their current guise will have an inaccurate tooling. My apologies if I came across rather brusque. Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Hi Ed No worries, didn't think you were brusque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 For someone who is not entirely familiar with the details of the prototype wagons, what is the difference between the model that Hattons are producing and the version recently announced by Oxford Rail? Are they the same prototype or do they represent slightly different versions of Warwell? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 For someone who is not entirely familiar with the details of the prototype wagons, what is the difference between the model that Hattons are producing and the version recently announced by Oxford Rail? Are they the same prototype or do they represent slightly different versions of Warwell? They're both the same type of wagon, and both will be available with the original diamond-frame bogie (as used into the early 1980s), and the Gloucester GPS25 type with which some were rebuilt (along with air brakes) from the late 1970s. However, some (possibly all) of the rebogied wagons were fitted with side extensions to the decks in the early 1990s; Oxford seem to be doing these. Does anyone have photos of the prototype fitted with widened decks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Hello David As Brian has said both Oxfords' and Hattons' versions represent the same wagon. Hello Brian Paul Barletts' excellent site has many photos, unfortunately as a relative newbie to this site I've not yet worked out how to add links. Edit: links now added see posts below. Edited February 16, 2017 by KDG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_B Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 They're both the same type of wagon, and both will be available with the original diamond-frame bogie (as used into the early 1980s), and the Gloucester GPS25 type with which some were rebuilt (along with air brakes) from the late 1970s. However, some (possibly all) of the rebogied wagons were fitted with side extensions to the decks in the early 1990s; Oxford seem to be doing these. Does anyone have photos of the prototype fitted with widened decks? Warriors need the special cradle as well, in order to raise the tracks above platform height. Looks like those will need to be scratchbuilt if you want Warriors as a load. Ian_B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/K-Tops-codes/KWA-Warwell-vehicle-carrier/ Hope fully above should be a link to a pic of a warwell with widened decks and Warrior cradle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 https://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/K-Tops-codes/KWA-Warwell-vehicle-carrier/i-nfBZwQF/A This pic above should be of a Warwell without the Warrior cradle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungrange Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 They're both the same type of wagon, and both will be available with the original diamond-frame bogie (as used into the early 1980s), and the Gloucester GPS25 type with which some were rebuilt (along with air brakes) from the late 1970s. However, some (possibly all) of the rebogied wagons were fitted with side extensions to the decks in the early 1990s; Oxford seem to be doing these. Does anyone have photos of the prototype fitted with widened decks? Thanks, I thought they were the same wagon when I saw the Oxford Rail announcement, but wasn't sure. How do you know that Oxford Rail are producing a version with the side extensions? Looking at the descriptions on their website, apart from the triple pack (OR76WW004) having MODA prefixes and being TOPS coded KWA, I don't see any specific reference to these being the latest variant of these wagons. I'm assuming that these may, like the versions proposed by Hattons, be the same body with a current or recent livery. Happy to be proved wrong by those who are more knowlegable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDG Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Hi David We don't know for sure whether the triple pack of MODA prefix KWA wagons will be correctly represented with the widened decks. All the images I have seen published so far are too blurred to make out the detail. I'm not even sure whether the Oxford rail version is different to the Hattons version, they have been known to collaborate on other projects before. The one thing that makes me think they might be separate projects is the Oxford rail pictures showed rivet detail on the sideframes, whereas the Hattons' images didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Happened to take a couple of shots yesterday of SVR's WD 'Warwell' Well Wagon E314153... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 28, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2017 A suitable load here? http://www.sandmmodels.co.uk/shop/new-arrivals/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted May 31, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 31, 2017 Hi all, A slightly larger box than usual was on my desk this morning containing the first EPs of the O gauge Warwells. As with the OO gauge versions shown previously, these do not contain all of the very fine detail that will be present on the finished model but show the major tooling variations that need to be present. Photos are below (click the thumbnails for BIGGER images.) and full details are available on our website Here.Cheers,Dave 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted June 14, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 14, 2017 Hi all, For those of you who may have deciphered our intercepted message last week, I can confirm that our OO Gauge Warwells are on the way to Widnes and will arrive with us early next week for immediate dispatch and sale. We've added photos to our full listings on the main website here (where we are still taking Pre-Orders) however a few BIGGER images are available below. For full details, please check our Main Listings Here. Cheers,Dave 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Hi all, For those of you who may have deciphered our intercepted message last week, I can confirm that our OO Gauge Warwells are on the way to Widnes and will arrive with us early next week for immediate dispatch and sale. We've added photos to our full listings on the main website here (where we are still taking Pre-Orders) however a few BIGGER images are available below. For full details, please check our Main Listings Here. Cheers, Dave H4-WW-002_1.JPG H4-WW-009_1.JPG H4-WW-011_1.JPG H4-WW-014_1.JPG H4-WW-020_1.JPG OMG... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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