Rob Hayes Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Hi there I am mostly a British outline modeller in various scales but a few years ago I had the delightful task of repairing and fitting soundtraxx decoders to some Bachmann 0N30 locos and I absolutley fell in love with logging locos most particularly the Climax. Problem is I remember the Bachmann Climax was 0N30 and ran in on our Kato H0/00 test track over the week o spent sorting it out. Now I want to buy one I can only see H0 gauge models listed in the Bachmann range which looks smaller but runs on the same gauge track.... This is confusing the hell out of me how can you have two models of the same loco in two totally different scale that both run on the same gauge track ??? , did I miss something ? I would prefer a 0N30 scale loco it had a nice heft and presence about it. Many thanks in advance this this a new area of modelling for me. Cheers Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ngtrains.com Posted November 18, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 18, 2016 The 0n30 one isn't currently in production. (The Shay isn't either) Plenty around on the second hand market. Watch out for them having split gears as this is something they suffer from. I am surprised at your problem understanding the scale/track issue given you say you've worked in many scales. The HO model is a 1:76 scale model of a standard gauge Loco so the HO track is representing standard guage 4'8" track. The 0n30 Loco is a 1:48 scale model (so larger) and the 16.5mm guage track is representing a narrow gauge line of 2'6" gauge. (Further confusion happens because liberties are taken with ng using the convenience of commercial 16.5mm track with 2', 2'6" & 3' gauge prototypes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I have been an 0n30 modeller ( amongst other scales) since its introduction in the late 90s, unfortunately the scale seems to have lost popularity in the last couple of years or so with the result that some retailers have discontinued stocking the range ( and it would apprear that very little is being manufactured anyway Some of the retailers are selling off their stocks, NGtrains, Tower-Models, and Hattons. Some USA are advertsing 0n30at clearance prices Trainworld were selling 2-6-6-2 Mallets for $99 and 4-4-0s for $49 although if importing they would attract VAT @20% +£8 handling, but still very cheap. I have to agree the Climax is wonderful delightfully heavy and slow running. I attach a photo of one of my latest purchases from Paul @ NGTrains EDM , Paul may wonder when he see this as when I bought it it was RED, but it got a paint job!! its a Whitcomb centre cab diesel. PAINT JOB NOT QUITE FINISHED YET! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Kernow Model Centre has a couple of Sound on board Climaxes remaining in stock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hayes Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 Thanks for the help guys. I just bought one on eBay. My confusion is that I thought 0N30 was the Narrow gauge of 0 gauge running on H0 track. So I thought the HO gauge climax would run on n gauge track. But it seems To also run on HO track and the ON30 I was working on run on HO track also.. I'll think about it again when I have this bottle of wine out my system The loco I bought is this one I hope it has not got gear problems now as I've read this after the purchase. http://m.ebay.co.uk/orderDetails?itemId=222319294873&txnId=1822623826012 If not can I get an upgrade for the gear. I can't wait to get a suitable soundtraxx unit in this now. Will have to pay a visit to my old buddies at DCC Supplies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2016 As Paul noted he Bachmann climaxes are two different scales gauge combinations, the HO one is 1/87, hence they both use 16.5mm track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hayes Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 I think my confusion is related to a very VERY limited knowledge of American locos. I always assumed the similarity of UK standard and narrow gauge. I assumed the 0N30 model was narrow gauge for 0 scale running on H0 spaced track. Therefore to my current understanding the H0 mode should run on N spaced track but seems to share H0 track.. I am now guessing that th climax style loco came in narrow and standard gauge form in reality (shrugs shoulders and looks like a totally idiot) On another note I'm Sad to read 0n30 is in decline it's a wonderful scale and subject to model beautiful and chunky I love it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2016 climax style loco came in narrow and standard gauge form in reality Yep, a variety of gauged Climax's from 3ft gauge up to 8ft here http://www.gearedsteam.com/climax/images_a-b.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hayes Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 Ahhhh now I get it ! Who would have thought it, that would be like us having in the UK welsh narrow gauge built the same way for standard gauge... And why not ! , if you got a good design stick with it. Well I fancied the the Narrow gauge one and that's what I have but never realised there was also standard gauge too. American Railroading just got a whole lot more intersting to me.. I'm hooked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ngtrains.com Posted November 19, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2016 Rob Your E-bay link doesn't bring up a loco. Gear upgrade advice will depend on what loco you bought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hayes Posted November 19, 2016 Author Share Posted November 19, 2016 I see sorry about that. Well the loco is catalogue number 25762 it's the Colarado Minining company one with a number 8 and in a green spectrum box so I'm not sure of the age or year of release but if looks great at least. The shop seems to have great feedback so I'm optimistic however my first encounter of one of these was a big repair and I fell in love with the loco type after that. Complicated little beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Anybody got a net reference for the details of the gear up grade for 0n30 version, I have one awaiting attention at present, but not taken it all apart for inspection so far. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hayes Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 I would also be interested in any gear upgrade incase I have to sort it out. It's been that long since I did the repair on the one I worked on that I'm not sure what the fault was but remember having fun working out how to get inside it and take all the Motor section out.. Ah that was it burned out motor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 It may be best to contact Bachmann in the USA they do supply spares, I got a replacement gear box for a faulty on delivery NEW Railbus it was sent from the USA no charge. Things have moved on a bit and not sure of the current situation. It may be worth having a look at the ASK THE BACH-MAN forum on the Bachmann USA website some of the items don't help much on there but it may be worth signing up and asking the question Hope this helps!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hayes Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 Thanks for the Info I'll check that out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 On another note I'm Sad to read 0n30 is in decline it's a wonderful scale and subject to model beautiful and chunky I love it Decline? Noooooooo! At least not in my roof! See the link below for the FVRR. In fact On30 needn't rely solely on the Bachmann catalogue. Still the secondhand market does furnish us fans with plenty of offers. Chaz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Decline? Noooooooo! At least not in my roof! See the link below for the FVRR. In fact On30 needn't rely solely on the Bachmann catalogue. Still the secondhand market does furnish us fans with plenty of offers. Chaz Count me in also Chaz, Cant move here ffor Mallets, Whitcombs & Shays to name but a few, well maybe exaggerating a bit there but I bought my first 0n30 within weeks of the first UK imports and since then there has always been 0n30 layout somewhere on the premises!! Mind you I reckon S/H will increase in price 3 logging disconnects went for £ 108 last week on eBay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Hayes Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 Has Bachmann stopped producing 0N30 then ? I hope not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Bachmann always give the impression they are giving up due to constantly running out of limited production runs, waiting months if not years before returning to the product.. Do not expect long availability in 0n30 it comes and then is gone for a while. I will take apart the Climax and see about new gears very soon, as long as Bachmann have used Mod metric gears replacement will be easy for spur gears, Bevel gears, far more difficult. It is only the Climax that has given this trouble, due in the main to the Chinese fondness of forcing a large shaft through a small hole to get grip, instead of knurling the shaft and using the right size moulded gears. At worst it might need a new central gearbox made, not impossible with contrate faced gears, but getting the right speed to the steam engine shaft might be difficult, the steam engine may have to run a bit faster per wheel revolution. NWSL cover some Shays and the HO Climax with spare brass gear sets, but not the 0n30 version due to costs and low demand so far. Stephen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 20, 2016 Bachmann are just about to release a new tourist open coach named for the late Lee Riley who was the driving force in establishing the range. Trainworld just released a video at one of the US shows and the Bachmann stand had lots of On30 on show so don't panic. It's more production of certain models is in batches every few years. 9m 38secs in here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 The open tourist coach was first discussed some years ago on the Bachmann USA site, it was supposed to have been released the following year but never materialised, I am not sure how great the demand would be for such a vehicle as they did not appear on the scene until the 'preservation' era I think Bachmann would have been better to have re - run the 0n330 passenger cars more frequently, although I notice that some 'New' liveries have been announced recently Anyone looking for passenger cars may wish to check Micro-Mark they had a special price on maroon observation car recently not the ideal car but easily adapted, think the price was $24 plus of course shipping and VAT + £8 for us in the UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Just checked the 'New' Passenger car colors are Buff & Tan and Yellow & Red RSRP $73 There are images on Bachmanntrains.com website, but no mention of the open tourist coaches though Micro Mark still have the $24.95 passenger car available + a couple of others @ $49.95 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockershovel Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Count me in also Chaz, Cant move here ffor Mallets, Whitcombs & Shays to name but a few, well maybe exaggerating a bit there but I bought my first 0n30 within weeks of the first UK imports and since then there has always been 0n30 layout somewhere on the premises!! Mind you I reckon S/H will increase in price 3 logging disconnects went for £ 108 last week on eBay Better get up in the loft then.. my stock came from various sources including a couple of job lots from abandoned projects, I've got at least two sets of those, complete with boxes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Better get up in the loft then.. my stock came from various sources including a couple of job lots from abandoned projects, I've got at least two sets of those, complete with boxes Not got any Sound on board Mallets have you?? could do with just 1 more ( how many times have I said that!!!!!!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ngtrains.com Posted November 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2016 All this talk of split gears has prompted me to finish a page on my blog that I started some time ago and then got distracted from finishing. You might find it helpful/interesting http://www.ngtrains.com/blog/the-Bachmann-0n30-climax/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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