RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 22, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2016 Units used (most of the time) on the Seaton Branch from 1964 to closure. I believe it was Class 117 and these are available RTR from Bachman? Many thanks. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 branchline26.jpg Units used (most of the time) on the Seaton Branch from 1964 to closure. I believe it was Class 117 and these are not available RTR? Many thanks. Phil Very much like a 117 and built by the same people I would suggest that this is a 121 single car with a DTS sorry don't have the class number to hand but was basically an unpowered 117 DMS? The post is just in the wrong place! ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 22, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2016 .....and this one. Class116? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 images (9).jpg .....and this one. Class116? Phil Yes, a 116, from the first batch. You can tell because it has four headlights. Subsequent batches had only two. The pic at Seaton is more likely a 118 power twin. It is difficult to tell whether the headcode box is flat-topped or rounded. I'm as sure as I can be that 117s were not allocated to the Plymouth division before 1968. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Careful manipulation of brightness and contrast seems to show a curved top to the headcode box which points to it being a 118 power twin, although it isnt very easy to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted November 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2016 Green, three windows, quiff, yellow waistcoat, short white dreadlocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 23, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2016 Thanks all and I think Chris that you have actually advised me years ago about this so thanks again. So if I can get something like a 116 or 118 RTR then I'll be lucky? Suppose it's kit or conversion otherwise? Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Thanks all and I think Chris that you have actually advised me years ago about this so thanks again. So if I can get something like a 116 or 118 RTR then I'll be lucky? Suppose it's kit or conversion otherwise? Phil Bachmann are working on a 117. I hope that it will be a simple job to make a 118 out of it - and, for good measure, that the passenger saloon of the motor brake second is not half full of cast metal like some of their other dmus! We were promised a 116 in the same announcement. I should live so long ... Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted November 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2016 The only kit I can think of is the old MTK! I can't think of a present day alternative. You could consider renovating an old Lima class 117. Best regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 23, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2016 The only kit I can think of is the old MTK! I can't think of a present day alternative. You could consider renovating an old Lima class 117. Best regards, Rob. Thanks Rob. I have a Lima set in BR Blue. Could have a go I suppose and then repaint. Soon as I've done that, Hornby will introduce one Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2016 Easy conversion using Lima, either a spare shell for the DMS or get resin conversion panels 118 looks most likely, rounded top to headcode box. Laserglaze required as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2016 As well as the round top to the headcode box another way of telling a BRCW (118) from as Pessed Steel (117) in green livery are the two lights below the drivers windscreen. 117s were not fitted with them until well into the 1970s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2016 Class 122 Bubble cars and trailers appeared from time to time, also a Gresley corridor 2nd was based at Seaton Junction for a while, believed to have been hauled on the branch by the 122 - presumably a stop-gap until a DTS became available. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2016 Note the clipped buffers, often fitted to 118s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2016 An interesting variety of units coming out of the photographic woodwork that, back in the day, I generally ignored. Now, where's that job lot of Lima 117s I acquired a few years back............ John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 24, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2016 Class 122 Bubble cars and trailers appeared from time to time, also a Gresley corridor 2nd was based at Seaton Junction for a while, believed to have been hauled on the branch by the 122 - presumably a stop-gap until a DTS became available. John Hi John. That Gresley appears on one of my DVDs; probably summer '64, tagged onto a DT, probably a 117. The NDT appeared to be parked in the siding All door CS I believe. Yes, I thought 122s appeared. I don't know why I'm bothering with all this really as I wonder if my layout will ever get sorted, however I enjoy the research and also so very much the knowledge of you guys. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 As well as the round top to the headcode box another way of telling a BRCW (118) from as Pessed Steel (117) in green livery are the two lights below the drivers windscreen. 117s were not fitted with them until well into the 1970s. Werent the 118s the same originally? Edit- Yes they were, this from 1980- https://www.flickr.com/photos/28178727@N08/6313089010/in/photolist-aBSeqf-oi8thg-nMnw1z-eiTyot-a9PFsk-ebyJKQ-fDD36V-ab7B7W-hjo9bo-ed1LTT-6KReiP-pjVMQB-pZmRwy-aed1eH-ggbyjo-ijyUTF-pRtovh-n8z74b-hgwhQF-93RTUX-qrU3f3-pdDVnD-sfc1PY-dfb361-8zK3ak-bNw3Qp-pvVRHf-oC6p3F-gaVYAP-jDkgYV-bo5oxD-nSU98y-neoRxo-5Wf4jK-dWdGTP-dDWVcK-pP2dnz-7ZoGVb-rmpc58-dZ2CjY-zUudsU-mj2bGM-ox9JQx-jYEgRN-634iPc-kwh4fg-pdjfYJ-datuRs-pdj5j9-9Smt9s Further edit- Apparently not all of them, this from 1967- https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/3411262885/in/photolist-93RAJm-5miY3a-iKfniy-qyQnyV-mCVz7T-oTDdfV-pbx6Xs-eihmpR-5DwQwd-5Vsx7R-sq7FY5-9qwxHZ-oaxJK7-bjGiWL-dXREtU-cXkzVj-MHgAw-m9Wc28-c9MPGA-6LcyTv-6crBBk-qR5Cy9-dQ3Fmi-92Lx77-qN3Cvk-nWGjAs-oRR6ag-pHytDg-jrxBxm-dfb3JD-ayPv43-c94jsw-bCFcwY-4PsNom-7y7GH6-znTgW-qzGQFe-nywXF7-5g93oa-5YN8BA-eWdE9q-qsLdd2-5Yi3CV-9dwZNo-fjxJQr-9G6hyb-aWNsGz-avQSeT-bRdJYV-pktxia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted November 24, 2016 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2016 I hated bog carts in steam days and still do (the newer types) despite friends actually still 'spotting' the damn things. However, the originals have become more interesting to me since joining RMW and seeing so many nostalgic photo's. I don't mind if anyone wants to drop some interesting pics in here. Martin it would also be helpful if you linked me to any info you have on the Lima conversion if that's possible. I've never looked at stuff to 'modify' diesel era items. Thanks. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2016 There was an article describing the conversion of the Lima DMu (approximately a 117 so I'm told) into a 116 by Chris Leigh in the October 1981 issue of Model Railway Constructor, which I'll be digging out once I've purchased a nice new razor-saw blade and located my potential victims............ Any pointer to a similar "how to" on producing a 118 will be gratefully received. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2016 Werent the 118s the same originally? Edit- Yes they were, this from 1980- https://www.flickr.com/photos/28178727@N08/6313089010/in/photolist-aBSeqf-oi8thg-nMnw1z-eiTyot-a9PFsk-ebyJKQ-fDD36V-ab7B7W-hjo9bo-ed1LTT-6KReiP-pjVMQB-pZmRwy-aed1eH-ggbyjo-ijyUTF-pRtovh-n8z74b-hgwhQF-93RTUX-qrU3f3-pdDVnD-sfc1PY-dfb361-8zK3ak-bNw3Qp-pvVRHf-oC6p3F-gaVYAP-jDkgYV-bo5oxD-nSU98y-neoRxo-5Wf4jK-dWdGTP-dDWVcK-pP2dnz-7ZoGVb-rmpc58-dZ2CjY-zUudsU-mj2bGM-ox9JQx-jYEgRN-634iPc-kwh4fg-pdjfYJ-datuRs-pdj5j9-9Smt9s Further edit- Apparently not all of them, this from 1967- https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/3411262885/in/photolist-93RAJm-5miY3a-iKfniy-qyQnyV-mCVz7T-oTDdfV-pbx6Xs-eihmpR-5DwQwd-5Vsx7R-sq7FY5-9qwxHZ-oaxJK7-bjGiWL-dXREtU-cXkzVj-MHgAw-m9Wc28-c9MPGA-6LcyTv-6crBBk-qR5Cy9-dQ3Fmi-92Lx77-qN3Cvk-nWGjAs-oRR6ag-pHytDg-jrxBxm-dfb3JD-ayPv43-c94jsw-bCFcwY-4PsNom-7y7GH6-znTgW-qzGQFe-nywXF7-5g93oa-5YN8BA-eWdE9q-qsLdd2-5Yi3CV-9dwZNo-fjxJQr-9G6hyb-aWNsGz-avQSeT-bRdJYV-pktxia Hi Royal Oak There was a previous discussion on the lights on 117s and 118s. Now I cannot remember if it was the first few 117 had them from new or the first few 118s did not have them. Or both. All I know is the majority of 117s in green and early blue days did not have the lights and the 118s did. As always I think the rule of making sure you have enough photos of the one you want to model in the time period you wish to model is a must. Oddly the 121 units had the lights from new, unlike their 3 car brothers from Pressed Steel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2016 I hated bog carts in steam days and still do (the newer types) despite friends actually still 'spotting' the damn things. However, the originals have become more interesting to me since joining RMW and seeing so many nostalgic photo's. I don't mind if anyone wants to drop some interesting pics in here. Martin it would also be helpful if you linked me to any info you have on the Lima conversion if that's possible. I've never looked at stuff to 'modify' diesel era items. Thanks. Phil I think a lot of us felt like that Phil even post steam - a couple of trips to BNS with the huge number of bog cart workings there in 1968 soon convinced me I needed to spot them too.... T'other Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40034_Nick Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Anyone know which DMU ran between Cheltenham and Swindon in the 80s ? 101 or a 108 or something else maybe. ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 24, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2016 Anyone know which DMU ran between Cheltenham and Swindon in the 80s ? 101 or a 108 or something else maybe. ?? A blue one? (or maybe even blue/grey) Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40034_Nick Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 A blue one? (or maybe even blue/grey) Cheers, Mick Blue i think... It was so long ago !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 25, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 25, 2016 Anyone know which DMU ran between Cheltenham and Swindon in the 80s ? 101 or a 108 or something else maybe. ?? Usually whichever one they could get to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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