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Hornby Class 87 - Confirmed Newly Tooled Version for 2017 !

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6 minutes ago, jonathan452 said:

That is a very interesting and useful screenshot - on the basis of that set up maybe I could apply similar to my layout. But it doesn't "look" quite as nice as the more traditional mast positioning! :unsure:

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17 minutes ago, cravensdmufan said:

That is a very interesting and useful screenshot - on the basis of that set up maybe I could apply similar to my layout. But it doesn't "look" quite as nice as the more traditional mast positioning! https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/emoticons/default_unsure.png

When researching my layout, I was very surprised at how many supports there are & also with their placings.

The area I am modelling is 150m long on the WCML, which scales down to 6'6" in 4mm.

On the fast line are 4 pairs of cantilevers (2 of which are right next to each other) & 5 lattice gantries.

On the slow lines, there are 4 pairs of cantilevers, 2 fairly close to each other, but not as close as on the fast lines. 1 of the other pairs of these is staggered. There are also 3 lattice gantries & 1 girder gantry.

So for 6'6", the wires have 9 supports on the fast lines & 8 supports on the slow lines. This seems like quite drastic overkill but I suppose it is because there is a tunnel at one end a bridge at the other & another bridge partway along the layout.

 

There really are some quite surprising features on the real railway if you look hard enough!

 

 

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2 hours ago, ThaneofFife said:

the class 81 would then satisfy most wcml modellers needs next.  fingers crossed then weve got 81 85 86 87 and 90.  a great range. 

Agree.  I just hope the Heljan 86 will be as good as Hornby 87 and if so that they will then do 86/2 and 86/4.  Bachmann's 85 set the standard, and I'm sure their 90 will equal or exceed it.

 

I was hoping Hornby would do the 86 actually - I thought it would follow their excellent 87.

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weve seen some duplication of models lately so I wouldn't rule out Hornby doing an 86 still...….. if they think there is cash to be made.

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I am hoping we will see that (87 006 Large Logo) released as an LE model at some point.  Sure 500 would walk out of the shops......

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4 hours ago, gazwire said:

Hi guys. I just thought I’d send you a picture of my, just acquired, re-sprayed Hornby class 87 from Lee’s Locos. Got to say I’m over the moon with it. Some may question the shade of blue, but I requested this as a preference- I really liked the colours on the old Lima ‘Cock of the North’. 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_2019_03/image.jpg.e1defc148033fa743cf171d954051978.jpg

That  looks rather nice.

Rail blue looked very different depending on the ambient light. Who is to say what is wrong or right? Looks good to me.

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Nice respray but all the photos that I can find of 87006 in that livery show it with a Brecknell Willis pan.

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the pan is an easy fix but yes it was one of two along with 87012 that was cleared for the new 110mph services

2 each way every day eus-glas returns.

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I couldn’t resist .... and recently purchased a another Intercity Swallow Class 87, but have backdated the livery a few years - I’m not the best artist in the world but I’m pleased with how it’s turned out so far.

 

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This backdates Black Douglas to her 1993 condition as shown in several pictures I found online including:

 

Flickr 87030 Black Douglas, Manchester Pic 1993

 

I used Railmatch warning panel yellow, executive dark grey and executive light grey, finished off with Railtec transfers. I’ve not varnished or weathered her yet. I’m a bit tempted to buy and repaint another, with the executive dark grey wrapped round the front being a favourite, although if I do, I bet Hornby will announce for 2020! 

 

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On 08/03/2019 at 17:56, Pete the Elaner said:

That  looks rather nice.

Rail blue looked very different depending on the ambient light. Who is to say what is wrong or right? Looks good to me.

 

It wasn't blue in that livery though was it? Was it not described as 'Battleship Grey' but looked very close to executive dark grey if it wasn't exactly the same

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Looks fantastic Patriot. How have you done it? ( the yellow is perfect- ( not Del and Rodney’s yellow paint for the Chinese!)) it looks fantastic. I was hoping Hornby might bring out that livery. 

 

(On a side note, my lucky number is 87 because of the locos. It’s apparently unlucky in cricket though- 13 away from the century). The 87s have always blasted the train ride from my hometown in Warrington to Euston. I felt that you could always feel the pull and power compared to the 47s/85s/86s. On full pelt, it clattered through the points at Bletchley and it was a great feeling of speed. It made mincemeat of the cars on the m1 adjacent to the railway line through Northants at 100+.

 

 I respected and loved the mark three coaches, but when the 87 lead a rake of mark 1s or mark 2s at full pelt- you knew you were going fast as you could feel it more. The only equivalent 87 buzz I had was travelling for the first time on a 125 in the 80s. Amazing trains. But I’m loyal to the 87. The conveyer of my hopes and dreams- and my lucky number.

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On 01/03/2019 at 18:25, cravensdmufan said:

Agree.  I just hope the Heljan 86 will be as good as Hornby 87 and if so that they will then do 86/2 and 86/4.  Bachmann's 85 set the standard, and I'm sure their 90 will equal or exceed it.

 

I was hoping Hornby would do the 86 actually - I thought it would follow their excellent 87.

 

Nice model.  I would have bought a Swallow liveried one; shame that they did not do it with a sprung metal Brecknell-Willis pantograph to run in contact with the catenary.

 

Peter

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5 hours ago, gazwire said:

Looks fantastic Patriot. How have you done it?

 

Thanks Gazwire! It’s on the to-do list to purchase and try a proper airbrush and learn a new skill, I haven’t been brave enough yet, also concentrated in recent years progressing my layout. I really wanted an IC Exec 87 with the new chassis, so I took the following steps:

 

  • Step 1: Decent quality masking tape to mask the yellow areas. I used a Railmatch aerosol 1202 and gave two coats. Both came out quite thick/blobby, possibly because the can is at least two years old, or the temperature was quite cool.
  • Step 2: I wasn’t happy with the result, so I purchased Deluxe materials strip magic and carefully removed the layers of the yellow areas and took back to the bare plastic. I then used IPA alcohol to neutralise the strip magic.
  • Step 3: I brush coated two thin coats of matt white paint of the yellow cab areas to neutralise the dark plastic.
  • Step 4: I brush coated five thin coats of Railmatch 202 warning panel yellow enamel.
  • Step 5: Removed masking tape with fingers crossed! Was pleasantly surprised, with only a small amount of touching up required of the yellow cab areas.
  • Step 6: Mask and paint the Railmatch 201 executive dark grey areas.
  • Step 7: Mask and paint the Railmatch 200 executive light grey areas.
  • Step 8: Paint chassis and bogies matt black (mainly to cover the white pipes), with buffer beam given three thin coats of red.
  • Step 9: Apply transfers.

The biggest tip I’ve learnt over time is if brush painting, purchase a decent set of brushes with a range of widths, really can achieve a decent quality finish especially if thin coats are built up. I know it’s not as good as finish as from airbrushing, but I’m pleased with how it’s turned out.

 

ps. I agree and remember those 87 hauled trips along the WCML, also the sounds of the rheostatic breaking and heat released and smells of the brake pads when full service braking was whacked on!

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Nice one Patriot 87. 

Cheers for the tips- my modelling isn’t the best to be honest- but the tips you’ve made have given me some inspiration to get stuck in. 

 

Cheers Patriot 87

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1 hour ago, Patriot87003 said:

 

Thanks Gazwire! It’s on the to-do list to purchase and try a proper airbrush and learn a new skill, I haven’t been brave enough yet, also concentrated in recent years progressing my layout. I really wanted an IC Exec 87 with the new chassis, so I took the following steps:

 

  • Step 1: Decent quality masking tape to mask the yellow areas. I used a Railmatch aerosol 1202 and gave two coats. Both came out quite thick/blobby, possibly because the can is at least two years old, or the temperature was quite cool.
  • Step 2: I wasn’t happy with the result, so I purchased Deluxe materials strip magic and carefully removed the layers of the yellow areas and took back to the bare plastic. I then used IPA alcohol to neutralise the strip magic.
  • Step 3: I brush coated two thin coats of matt white paint of the yellow cab areas to neutralise the dark plastic.
  • Step 4: I brush coated five thin coats of Railmatch 202 warning panel yellow enamel.
  • Step 5: Removed masking tape with fingers crossed! Was pleasantly surprised, with only a small amount of touching up required of the yellow cab areas.
  • Step 6: Mask and paint the Railmatch 201 executive dark grey areas.
  • Step 7: Mask and paint the Railmatch 200 executive light grey areas.
  • Step 8: Paint chassis and bogies matt black (mainly to cover the white pipes), with buffer beam given three thin coats of red.
  • Step 9: Apply transfers.

The biggest tip I’ve learnt over time is if brush painting, purchase a decent set of brushes with a range of widths, really can achieve a decent quality finish especially if thin coats are built up. I know it’s not as good as finish as from airbrushing, but I’m pleased with how it’s turned out.

 

ps. I agree and remember those 87 hauled trips along the WCML, also the sounds of the rheostatic breaking and heat released and smells of the brake pads when full service braking was whacked on!


Whislt I don't support brush painting, I think that it's still a good way to start. I suggest using "horse hair brushes". Also budget airbrshes work just as good. Buy one and learn. Then go for the more expensive ones.

 

Good job nonetheless.

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On 10/03/2019 at 06:16, Patriot87003 said:

 

Thanks Gazwire! It’s on the to-do list to purchase and try a proper airbrush and learn a new skill, I haven’t been brave enough yet, also concentrated in recent years progressing my layout. I really wanted an IC Exec 87 with the new chassis, so I took the following steps:

 

Go for it. Like most things, airbrushing nicely takes practice. I need a lot more!

You do not need a hugely expensive airbrush either. Avoid using aerosol propellants because they do not last very long. A compressor is definitly a good investment.

 

As for the model, Hornby did it with the MU cables removed & the TDM cables in the later position (The stowage sockets at the bottom were initially the other way up).

It would look nice with a set of MU cables stuck on but I can certainly understand some modeller's licence in leaving the TDM cables alone.

Thinking about it, I may do this to one of my Swallow models.

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Mentioning modding one of mine was an afterthought
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Hi

Anyone chipped on yet? If so which have you used. Have tried 3 for my 87 009 but none are small enough. 

Thanks Paul.

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8 hours ago, GRUNFOS said:

Hi

Anyone chipped on yet? If so which have you used. Have tried 3 for my 87 009 but none are small enough. 

Thanks Paul.


What 3 decoders have you tried? Would be helpful if you listed those 3...

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18 hours ago, GRUNFOS said:

Hi

Anyone chipped on yet? If so which have you used. Have tried 3 for my 87 009 but none are small enough. 

Thanks Paul.

 

10 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said:


What 3 decoders have you tried? Would be helpful if you listed those 3...

 

Haven't chipped mine yet, but I'd be very surprised if Hornby hadn't ensured its own R8249 would fit, so anything smaller should do so too.

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Fitted an R8249 into "Robert Burns" earlier today. The slot for the decoder easily contains the decoder, but the main problem is where to route the wiring. I eventually pushed as much of it into the slot for the decoder as I could. No problem getting the loco body back on after fitting.

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Hi 

I've tried a zen 360 with stay alive, lenz  gold and hattons 8 pin direct all of which were at hand and also to large. Will order a zen nano and see what happens.

here's a couple of pics of my renumbered 009 as runnig July 1976 and as class 81 was mentioned earlier a couple of one I've been working on. Need to speak to Lee to fit handrails and give it a squirt of blue and yellow. Hope the Heljan 86 is going to be a vast improvement on thier first effort.

Thanks Paul.

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considering how old that 81 moulding is its not too bad really...…..be good to see the end result but I really hope we get to see a new Class 81 from Bachmann or another manufacturer...….. 

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Apologies if ive missed this, but has anyone figured out a way to sort out the lighting problem, ie not have tail lights on when headlights are on? (On dcc)

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