robmcg Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 My only reservation of the model as shown above is the front bogie wheel, which really looks very little like the dished bogies on the prototype. There isn't enough flare at the transition from the spokes to the hub, and as such the hub is too small and the spokes look too long. The preview pics on antics look slightly better in terms of spoke length, but still no flare and some sort of weird outer hub, but shap of 'daylight' between spokes looks better. What do other people think? http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/749_1_108255658.html That and the lack of front brakes. and cheese-cutter flanges, and the sanders are nice on say a Clan or Britannia but I say, and will say again, what a superb-looking model and as Coachmann rightly points out Hornby went to a lot of trouble with the colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 For those that have seen both, how does the colour of this compare with ‘City of Birmingham’? A subjective question I know, as colour memory varies. I haven’t seen City of Birmingham for about 30 years, so my memory is a bit faded..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 For those that have seen both, how does the colour of this compare with ‘City of Birmingham’? A subjective question I know, as colour memory varies. I haven’t seen City of Birmingham for about 30 years, so my memory is a bit faded..... Which bit of 'City of Birmingham'...? As can be seen on some of the pics on the page below, there are at least two shades of Green on the running plate! http://www.hall-royd-junction.co.uk/Hall_Royd_Trains/Stanier_Coronation_detail.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp1 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Which bit of 'City of Birmingham'...? As can be seen on some of the pics on the page below, there are at least two shades of Green on the running plate! http://www.hall-royd-junction.co.uk/Hall_Royd_Trains/Stanier_Coronation_detail.html Ah. Very true! The lighting doesn’t help though...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Isn't that just the undercoat showing through where there was damage to the paintwork? Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 8, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 8, 2017 What’s the purpose of the indentation in the lower boiler? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 What’s the purpose of the indentation in the lower boiler? I don't know (footstep would have a flatter base?) but the detail pics are handy for me to draw/paint details, thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 What’s the purpose of the indentation in the lower boiler? I've been wondering that for a while. This is the indentation below the nameplate right? Anyone care to enlighten us? It seems to result in a gap in the insulation of the boiler... http://www.prclt.co.uk/images/6233_boiler_lift.gif?crc=3987331638 But no visible indentation or fixing on the barrel itself... http://www.prclt.co.uk/images/jan%20115.jpg?crc=185443556 Very strange. Like most things in engineering, I'm sure there is a reason, but it is not readily evident to those not in the know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 What’s the purpose of the indentation in the lower boiler? I suspect to clear the lubricator box lids when opened and the oil poured in. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crewlisle Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 My only reservation of the model as shown above is the front bogie wheel, which really looks very little like the dished bogies on the prototype. There isn't enough flare at the transition from the spokes to the hub, and as such the hub is too small and the spokes look too long. The preview pics on antics look slightly better in terms of spoke length, but still no flare and some sort of weird outer hub, but shap of 'daylight' between spokes looks better. What do other people think? http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/749_1_108255658.html Get a life! If that is all you can criticise it must be a great model. 99.9% of modellers will be delighted with it. If you are not happy with it, don't buy it or build a kit. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 My only reservation of the model as shown above is the front bogie wheel, which really looks very little like the dished bogies on the prototype. There isn't enough flare at the transition from the spokes to the hub, and as such the hub is too small and the spokes look too long. The preview pics on antics look slightly better in terms of spoke length, but still no flare and some sort of weird outer hub, but shap of 'daylight' between spokes looks better. What do other people think? http://www.anticsonline.co.uk/749_1_108255658.html I think you need a shrink-ray and a real locomotive....also a way to re-gauge it after it's shrunk and you'll need some OO gauge couplings. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 Gird up your loins to be disabused of that notion in the next few weeks. Nits will be picked, features dissected and a good number of people will have a gripe or two. What? On here? No, never! Where on earth did you get that idea from? Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Coronation Scot was 8 coaches Actually I think it was 9 coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I suspect to clear the lubricator box lids when opened and the oil poured in. 100% this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Get a life! If that is all you can criticise it must be a great model. 99.9% of modellers will be delighted with it. If you are not happy with it, don't buy it or build a kit. Peter I'm sure there are other compromises, but such is the character of this model, this is the only thing that jumps out at me. Actually not a hard thing to rectify, but I wanted to raise it. I don't doubt that people (including me) will be pleased with it, but the bogie wheels (in contrast to the other wheels) do jump out for me. In contrast to the Britannia bogies, which are a better, (but by no means perfect) attemp at capturing the flared boss. I thought the whole point of a forum was for discussion? EDIT - don't get me wrong, great model (and as stated above, I intend eventually to get all 3 preserved examples) but odd choice of bogie wheel, with no easily understandable explanation for the compromise in bogie wheel shape. Edited October 9, 2017 by G-BOAF 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I thought the whole point of a forum was for discussion? You can have any opinion you like G-BOAF, as long as Crewlisle approves of it Craig W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I'm sure there are other compromises, but such is the character of this model, this is the only thing that jumps out at me. Actually not a hard thing to rectify, but I wanted to raise it. I don't doubt that people (including me) will be pleased with it, but the bogie wheels (in contrast to the other wheels) do jump out for me. In contrast to the Britannia bogies, which are a better, but by no means perfect) attemp at capturing the dished boss. I thought the whole point of a forum was for discussion? I rather suspect railway modellers routinely replace Hornby and Bachmann bogie wheels with Gibsons or Markits hweels. The Alan Gibson 3' diameter nine-spoke Stanier bevel-rim for the 'Duchess' is ref: G4836ST. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 I rather suspect railway modellers routinely replace Hornby and Bachmann bogie wheels with Gibsons or Markits hweels. The Alan Gibson 3' diameter nine-spoke Stanier bevel-rim for the 'Duchess' is ref: G4836ST. Already 'in stock' along with the Fox plates. Just need Locoman to do a sound project from 46233 now...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I agree about the bogie wheels. Just be grateful that they put the correct number of spokes on them this time. So that's three sets of wheels needed then. Probably got them in stock to be honest. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2017 Speak for yourself Pete! If I tell Mrs Smith that its only 15x8, she'll limit my shed size... Ian. Hello Pete, I'm the one responsible for the phrase '16 on'. However, in my defence, I'd suggest that the model deserves justice for a train of that size. In model terms, I'd like to see if the model can actually move a 16 coach train. That has to be a compliment, as I'm dyed in the wool Western. Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2017 Hello Pete, I'm the one responsible for the phrase '16 on'. However, in my defence, I'd suggest that the model deserves justice for a train of that size. In model terms, I'd like to see if the model can actually move a 16 coach train. That has to be a compliment, as I'm dyed in the wool Western. Ian. Probably, my as built MN can easily do it. Even my Peckett can pull 7 Hornby Staniers, but doesn't on a regular basis! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocp Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Just read Hornby Mags review, looks like a winner in the detail department, the infamous tender ledge is gone with a much more accurate representation of the underside of the tender body now replaces it. Apparently pulled 12 coaches on the test layout no issue at all. Most interestingly, it says the model is more satin/gloss than the satin/matt finish we have had for a long time from Honrby. There is a picture of 6231's front third taken from the side of the model and it actually looks like Crimson Lake instead of whatever shade of red Hornby used to paint the LMS locos in. So well done to Hornby with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2017 Looks like it’s gonna be a fantastic model. And the great representation of the coal pusher mechanism in the tender looks nice too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2017 And now Hornby's 46256 in motion . This has to be model of the year surely. http://www.hornbymagazine.com/2017/10/12/video-Hornby-stanier-duchess-4-6-2-for-oo/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 12, 2017 And now Hornby's 46256 in motion . This has to be model of the year surely. http://www.hornbymagazine.com/2017/10/12/video-Hornby-stanier-duchess-4-6-2-for-oo/ At first glance I read 'on sale from October 12 2017' as the loco release date, then I realised it means the magazine sale date! A bit longer to wait but it'll be worth it. Cheers, Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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