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(Deluxe super smooth dog bone pictured last)

 

 

The lads at TMC have been busy making new loads for the plate wagons. Steel sheets, plates, slabs, tubes, H section. Now I'm just about ready to introduce hopefully a few more loads. Iron Pigs, Dog Bone style Iron Pigs in textured finish or smooth finish with deluxe rust effect. A few more shades will be tried such as grey, beige, grey and yellowy rust. And runs of pigs with mixed shades. The 'Dog Bone' style Pigs will probably cost £18 to £22ish per wagon I'm guessing and that should be around 180 pigs. But you can put more or less in. TMC can supply trestles too for carrying larger sheet loads. BUT THIS IS NOT 100% ACCURATE TECHNICALLY, as the wagons need slight modifications if you want to be fussy. Some of the other loads available are quite a bit cheaper for those who have to watch the ££'s, but still really look the part! We will make lower amounts of the most challenging to produce loads.

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Very nice. Pigs would not be loaded in serried ranks, just dropped in via magnet crane in a low jumbled heap. Some would get broken in the process as pig iron is relatively brittle. As the fate of all pig iron is to be re-melted for subsequent use breakages are not an issue.

 

In terms of traffic origin. The ‘dog bone’ pigs represent machine cast pigs, most of the larger integrated steelworks had pig casting machines by the 1950s. The straight pigs are of the type cast in traditional sand pig beds, more likely to be found at the smaller, purely iron producing plants.

 

They would be in transit to either steel making plants or iron foundries.

 

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Would it not be better to have the pig iron moulded in plastic?  Would surely work out far cheaper than the £18 to £22/wagon mentioned, albeit with a higher "upfront" cost.  However surely pretty simple moulds that could then turn out sprues of ingots by the hundred.

 

Or what about liaising with Harburn Hobbies for a "Harburn Hamlet" cast load?  Maybe the master for that (I assume that is what is needed for their castings) could be made from the individual pigs you have?

 

There is a picture online of a load as Arthur describes.  This was the one I was thinking of, by Andy Kirkham, only just catches part of the wagon:

10419662884_f53b5e11ec_z.jpgAPR 74 06. 45111 Grenadier Guardsman at Holman Bros works Camborne, April 16 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

Another picture shows the pigs on a loading bank and possibly in the Plate wagon behind the peak:

10419699265_38ddd2f05f_z.jpgAPR 74 05. 45111 Grenadier Guardsman at Holman Bros works Camborne, April 16 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

And a different photographer's view of the same location also partly includes some on the loading bank:

https://flic.kr/p/qzNBeV

 

Hope this helps!

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Would it not be better to have the pig iron moulded in plastic?  Would surely work out far cheaper than the £18 to £22/wagon mentioned, albeit with a higher "upfront" cost.  However surely pretty simple moulds that could then turn out sprues of ingots by the hundred.

 

Or what about liaising with Harburn Hobbies for a "Harburn Hamlet" cast load?  Maybe the master for that (I assume that is what is needed for their castings) could be made from the individual pigs you have?

 

There is a picture online of a load as Arthur describes.  This was the one I was thinking of, by Andy Kirkham, only just catches part of the wagon:

10419662884_f53b5e11ec_z.jpgAPR 74 06. 45111 Grenadier Guardsman at Holman Bros works Camborne, April 16 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

Another picture shows the pigs on a loading bank and possibly in the Plate wagon behind the peak:

10419699265_38ddd2f05f_z.jpgAPR 74 05. 45111 Grenadier Guardsman at Holman Bros works Camborne, April 16 1974 by Andy Kirkham, on Flickr

 

And a different photographer's view of the same location also partly includes some on the loading bank:

https://flic.kr/p/qzNBeV

 

Hope this helps!

 

That is very useful as it shows a treble pig. The double dog bone pig was as a result of much research and based on exact dimensions. We had help from somebody with real first hand knowledge of the steel works of that period. But anyone who wants treble pigs making can just contact us. They look way better in the flesh. The painting effect is time consuming and uses multiple shades. These aren't just some one colour vague plastic chunk. I really appreciate the second picture especially. Thank you!

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Very nice. Pigs would not be loaded in serried ranks, just dropped in via magnet crane in a low jumbled heap. Some would get broken in the process as pig iron is relatively brittle. As the fate of all pig iron is to be re-melted for subsequent use breakages are not an issue.

 

In terms of traffic origin. The ‘dog bone’ pigs represent machine cast pigs, most of the larger integrated steelworks had pig casting machines by the 1950s. The straight pigs are of the type cast in traditional sand pig beds, more likely to be found at the smaller, purely iron producing plants.

 

They would be in transit to either steel making plants or iron foundries.

 

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The pictures show how you will receive them once posted. Put as pictured they should be cut out with a scalpel. They must not be placed in as one huge neatly ordered interconnected piece as you rightly point out. We will improve them further still. We have made some very pleasing steps forward on the price due to some developments! They won't cost circa £20 anymore thankfully. We want them to look as near total perfection as possible though. Hopefully far far better than any rival version. Thank you all for your input.

Rob

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They didn't just carry steel products, but a wide variety of things: ones that come to mind are stone from the Peak District to build the Thames Barrier, trailers and Land-Rovers for the MoD, agricultural machinery, semi-finished timber. When carrying steel, they'd sometimes work as block trains but,  more often, they'd be found as part of a mixed freight, perhaps taking steel plate to a small shipyard. Whitby received such wagons into the 1970s, and Barnstaple (for Appledore) into the 1980s.

 

Were these seen on the west of England mainline conveying goods to Plymouth and Cornwall.

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Were these seen on the west of England mainline conveying goods to Plymouth and Cornwall.

They certainly worked to the Holman/Compair works near Camborne with pig-iron; there are photos in this thread. Apart from that, I can imagine them being used to deliver steel to the ship-repairers at Falmouth, or to Devonport.

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The lads at TMC have been busy making new loads for the plate wagons. Steel sheets, plates, slabs, tubes, H section. TMC can supply trestles too for carrying larger sheet loads. 

 

Have you more info on these as I can't see them on their website.

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(Deluxe super smooth dog bone pictured last)

 

 

The lads at TMC have been busy making new loads for the plate wagons. Steel sheets, plates, slabs, tubes, H section. Now I'm just about ready to introduce hopefully a few more loads. Iron Pigs, Dog Bone style Iron Pigs in textured finish or smooth finish with deluxe rust effect. A few more shades will be tried such as grey, beige, grey and yellowy rust. And runs of pigs with mixed shades. The 'Dog Bone' style Pigs will probably cost £18 to £22ish per wagon I'm guessing and that should be around 180 pigs. But you can put more or less in. TMC can supply trestles too for carrying larger sheet loads. BUT THIS IS NOT 100% ACCURATE TECHNICALLY, as the wagons need slight modifications if you want to be fussy. Some of the other loads available are quite a bit cheaper for those who have to watch the ££'s, but still really look the part! We will make lower amounts of the most challenging to produce loads.

 

Any chance of getting the ingots already weathered from either shapeways or TMC?

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Missed replying here, what I was asking for was "Dog Bone style Iron Pigs in smooth finish with deluxe rust effect." So they come ready weathered?

 

Mark

 

Just seen them available on TMC site so sorted.

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Very neat - are you going to share your technique?

 

I use Lifecolor weathered wood acrylics with two coats of basecoat [713] and then highlights/dry brush with [714] warm wood base. I masked the sides as they are steel and will be treated differently.

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Pre nationalisation double bolsters:

LMS: https://www.themodelcentre.com/38-828Z/

LNER: https://www.themodelcentre.com/38-829Z/

 

I though they had also done Plate wagons in pre nationalisation liveries, but they don't seem to be listed? 

 

Rather oddly their own brand wagons are listed under Bachmann, rather than TMC, or similar.  Easiest way to find them seems to be to look under limited editions, here: https://www.themodelcentre.com/limited-editions-OO/?search_query=&page=2&limit=57&sort=alphaasc&category=1320&is_category_page=1

 

 

Can anyone confirm that this version is suitable for a big four era layout please. The E number [Eastern] is confusing me to think it's a BR period wagon.

 

https://www.themodelcentre.com/38-855Z/

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Bearing in mind these wagons have cast number plates on the solebar, any ideas on how to renumber one easily.

As is usual with wagons made by Bachmann, the "plate" is just printed and doesn't stand proud of the solebar.

 

TMC's ad in the December Railway Modeller shows Double Bolster wagons in LMS and LNER liveries but all the Plate wagons are in BR (so far?).

 

John

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As is usual with wagons made by Bachmann, the "plate" is just printed and doesn't stand proud of the solebar.

 

TMC's ad in the December Railway Modeller shows Double Bolster wagons in LMS and LNER liveries but all the Plate wagons are in BR (so far?).

 

John

Hopefully in the near future we'll see the Plate wagons in LNER and LMS liveries :)

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