andyram Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I have a small number of sound fitted 37116 left, but all my standard versions sold out. The Load Haul version is still available on pre-order. www.a2bmodelrailways.co.uk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 11 hours ago, ayrmrg said: What's with this Jock Mc Tractors? Can you not just type 'Scots/Scottish tractors? Regards Stephen It’s called “ light hearted humour “ and a reference to Boaty McBoatyface . I’m sorry it seems to have passed you by. In future I shall be careful to be more serious and use the phrase “ class 37 allocated to Scottish sheds “. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 It is amazing they've managed to hang onto these locomotives for so long!! The Bachmann model is pretty decent I must admit, but it does smack of commercialism a little out-of-control re-iterating an 'older design' with a new paint job and little extra besides, then slapping an extra £30 on top ... Al. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 hour ago, rob D2 said: It’s called “ light hearted humour “ and a reference to Boaty McBoatyface . I’m sorry it seems to have passed you by. In future I shall be careful to be more serious and use the phrase “ class 37 allocated to Scottish sheds “. Just because something has Mc in front of it doesn't mean it's funny. Look at Michael McIntyre.... Jason 1 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, atom3624 said: It is amazing they've managed to hang onto these locomotives for so long!! The Bachmann model is pretty decent I must admit, but it does smack of commercialism a little out-of-control re-iterating an 'older design' with a new paint job and little extra besides, then slapping an extra £30 on top ... Al. But how much extra does all that research, new artwork and printing cost? Must be quite a few thousand pounds. They are limited editions. If you don't like the price then buy a cheaper version and do it yourself and see if it comes in any cheaper. Transfers, paint, possibly some extra detailing parts all add up. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Just because something has Mc in front of it doesn't mean it's funny. Look at Michael McIntyre.... Jason His fringe is his comedic masterpiece 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JiLo Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, atom3624 said: It is amazing they've managed to hang onto these locomotives for so long!! The Bachmann model is pretty decent I must admit, but it does smack of commercialism a little out-of-control re-iterating an 'older design' with a new paint job and little extra besides, then slapping an extra £30 on top ... Al. Of course its commercialism, Bachmann have to make money or we dont get any new models, simple as that. They have shareholders and a parent company to satisfy, and it's that parent company that sets the turnover target, to cover outgoing costs (from raw materials to shopping and everything else inbetween) and to make a decent operating profit, which is why prices rise. We may not be happy with it but it's a fact of life. It's not greed, its business. As mentioned above, the other option if you want one is to do it yourself. Find a new model in the correct base livery, add decal costs and you might come in cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JiLo Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, rob D2 said: It’s called “ light hearted humour “ and a reference to Boaty McBoatyface . I’m sorry it seems to have passed you by. In future I shall be careful to be more serious and use the phrase “ class 37 allocated to Scottish sheds “. If it was a ref to boaty mcboatface then surely it would be tractor mctractor face? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, JiLo said: If it was a ref to boaty mcboatface then surely it would be tractor mctractor face? Valid point. I was putting my own spin on it, but I’m not going there. I’ be seen the mark up on a Bachmann 37 , it’s not bad, but I guess retailers need the big ticket items so they can stock the marginal bits and pieces we need at 3 pm on a Saturday. I do fear they are going to become left behind , Heljan doing a 47 , all it takes is someone to do a hi spec 37 and they won’t be able to charge £150 plus for these old toolings anymore. There goes the margin. For some reason I keep thinking , “ Nokia “. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 51 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: But how much extra does all that research, new artwork and printing cost? Must be quite a few thousand pounds. They are limited editions. If you don't like the price then buy a cheaper version and do it yourself and see if it comes in any cheaper. Transfers, paint, possibly some extra detailing parts all add up. Jason I cant help thinking all these Limited Editions are trying to milk the Class 37 tooling before a newer model comes out either from Bachmann or a competitor. I understand niche prototypes or newer tooling being more expensive, but if a bog-standard class 37 is £150 then I think they'll have increasing difficulty in selling them. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold cambo74 Posted September 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, GordonC said: I cant help thinking all these Limited Editions are trying to milk the Class 37 tooling before a newer model comes out either from Bachmann or a competitor. I understand niche prototypes or newer tooling being more expensive, but if a bog-standard class 37 is £150 then I think they'll have increasing difficulty in selling them. Well possibly not - a lot of them do seem to be sold out ..... Its basic business really - maximum profit for minimum effort ....... why not, I would if I were Bachmann. Make hay whilst the sun shines - am sure there will be a new one out soon from somebody so get in before its announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Model Store Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 All eastern region rep specials available here at AGR - https://www.agrmodelrailwaystore.co.uk/index.php?route=product/search&search=Bachmann SD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyram Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 But if the class 37 sells then surely it makes good commercial sense for Bachmann to continue to release limited edition models of this particular class. As a trader, all be it very new to the circuit, I have seen these sell steadily throughout. 37116 standard versions sold out on pre-orders for me, and I have only limited sound fitted versions available. 37032 "Mirage" has likewise standard versions have sold out with only limited sound fitted versions available. 37710 the Load Haul version is selling well on pre-order although both versions still available. Clearly the class 37 remains popular so it is only correct that Bachmann continue to make use of the tooling. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 26 minutes ago, andyram said: But if the class 37 sells then surely it makes good commercial sense for Bachmann to continue to release limited edition models of this particular class. As a trader, all be it very new to the circuit, I have seen these sell steadily throughout. 37116 standard versions sold out on pre-orders for me, and I have only limited sound fitted versions available. 37032 "Mirage" has likewise standard versions have sold out with only limited sound fitted versions available. 37710 the Load Haul version is selling well on pre-order although both versions still available. Clearly the class 37 remains popular so it is only correct that Bachmann continue to make use of the tooling. Of course, but I’m concerned the values will drop like a brick when all singing dancing version comes out soon. If hattons can put the new 66 out at £150, a new 37 could be likewise. Bachmann will then probably have to drop the RRP to the £120-130 mark, which means the margins get squeezed and nobody wins . if I was Bachmann I’d be developing an upgrade behind the scenes otherwise they will have very few of the most prolific diesels at the front of the grid. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted September 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, rob D2 said: Of course, but I’m concerned the values will drop like a brick when all singing dancing version comes out soon. If hattons can put the new 66 out at £150, a new 37 could be likewise. Bachmann will then probably have to drop the RRP to the £120-130 mark, which means the margins get squeezed and nobody wins . if I was Bachmann I’d be developing an upgrade behind the scenes otherwise they will have very few of the most prolific diesels at the front of the grid. Which I turn knocks your £160, 37 down to £60 on ebay after fees / postage etc. I picked up a bunch off Bachmann 66’s last year in the £60-£80 mark thanks to the Hattons announcement... which is why I was confused at the sudden rush to Hornbys one at £80 in January this year, which I suspect will only be pushing £40 s/h once the Hattons one arrives, and the Lima one will finally drop back to the £25 s/h value it was when released new at £35 in the 1990’s...rather than the £50+ they were going for last year. Edited September 4, 2019 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Hi everyone, I actually quite like the fact we are getting more liveries and variants on the 37 as opposed to waiting on a big run selling through each year. The Bachmann model isn’t bad and is a reliable runner plus there have been a few that suit/interest me. Prices will continue to go up given the falling £ so gone are the days of getting a couple of new releases at a time it’s just about choosing what you really want instead of the nice to haves. I also think Bachmann have taken this approach with the 37 to potentially reduce the chance of another manufacturer rumoured to be planning a 37 from doing so at the present time. Further commercial sense on there part to protect there range. Cheers Mark 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 It's nice they're showing some imagination and initiative to please the enthusiastic modeller, and is also true we don't know how many of each extra has been budgeted, nor at what charge / cost to Bachmann themselves. Having said that, 95% should already have been written off as far as development, moulding and chassis are concerned, just leaving the headcode and livery development variations to cover on top of the actual raw cost minus development for production. I think they're having a bit of a .... but we're all entitled to our opinions, as you have been by your response to my original concern. What I don't disagree with is that it is a superb-running model, very well detailed and a credit to the manufacturer. Al. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I actually think it has been odd that Bachmann has not milked their 37 & 47 tooling harder before now. The lack of Scottish 37/0s in blue or large logo until this year, or a 37/0 in RF red stripe has always been a mystery to me and recent sales would seem to support that there was pent up demand. Similarly a lack of "standard" BR blue 47/0 in 1980s condition, and i'm pretty convinced an Eastfield and/or Inverness adorned LL 47/4 would sell well too. Other liveries have also been notably absent including Engineer's Grey until 37142 this year, and Standard RF grey (apart from on 37/9) until 47050 also this year. Maybe the previous strategy was to manage sales over a longer period and ensure a steady return although most companies I've come across seem to be more focused on jam today. If this was the case then perhaps the recent emergence of competition has caused re-evaluation of this strategy with a view to getting most profit off their existing tooling before someone else snatches the market with a new release. As others have said, I like both the Bach 37 & 47 - they aren't perfect but they don't have obvious issues which would cause me to upgrade my whole fleet to a better offering in the future. The other great thing about both is that I haven't had a single one that hasn't performed well from the box, nor can I recall having any issues with bits missing or poor painting. Others are stealing the march with higher detailed models but whether these are more prone to issues only time will tell. M 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: But how much extra does all that research, new artwork and printing cost? Must be quite a few thousand pounds. They are limited editions. If you don't like the price then buy a cheaper version and do it yourself and see if it comes in any cheaper. Transfers, paint, possibly some extra detailing parts all add up. Jason Arent all production runs basically limited editions these days? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JiLo Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 46 minutes ago, atom3624 said: It's nice they're showing some imagination and initiative to please the enthusiastic modeller, and is also true we don't know how many of each extra has been budgeted, nor at what charge / cost to Bachmann themselves. Having said that, 95% should already have been written off as far as development, moulding and chassis are concerned, just leaving the headcode and livery development variations to cover on top of the actual raw cost minus development for production. I think they're having a bit of a .... but we're all entitled to our opinions, as you have been by your response to my original concern. What I don't disagree with is that it is a superb-running model, very well detailed and a credit to the manufacturer. Al. You've summed up why Bachmann can charge what they are charging! Its an older tooling, but its a really good tooling, and its a popular loco, so why not milk it for what they can, while they can? Remember that between each run, costs of raw materials increase, labour costs increase, shipping costs increase and exchange rates fluctuate, the company can only absorb so much before having to increase prices. I've long suspected that older tooling being sold at what may seem a high price, keeps the RRP down for the highly detailed new models, the costs being split across the whole range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Gold TravisM Posted September 4, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 4, 2019 I’m awaiting my all singing, all dancing 37025, but I just wish they’d done 37116 in Colas instead. A large percentage of people are moaning about the price of the models and I have this to say, Bachmann are a profit making company, not a non-profit one and its in their remit to squeeze every last ounce of revenue out of moulds. I, for one don’t see a issue as I’m not a rivet counter and I know Bachmann have done a far better job than I could have with a cheap Lima Class 37 and a shed load of expensive detailing parts. Remember, you as the customer have choice, if you want it, buy it and if you don’t, walk away. I tired of listening to the older generation moaning how expensive model railways are but what they don’t remember is that it’s never been as cheap in relation to earnings. I like to rebuke by mentioning that models of the 1960’s, 70’s, 80’s and into the 90’s don’t have a patch on what’s available now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 5 hours ago, jools1959 said: I’m awaiting my all singing, all dancing 37025, but I just wish they’d done 37116 in Colas instead. A large percentage of people are moaning about the price of the models and I have this to say, Bachmann are a profit making company, not a non-profit one and its in their remit to squeeze every last ounce of revenue out of moulds. I, for one don’t see a issue as I’m not a rivet counter and I know Bachmann have done a far better job than I could have with a cheap Lima Class 37 and a shed load of expensive detailing parts. Remember, you as the customer have choice, if you want it, buy it and if you don’t, walk away. I tired of listening to the older generation moaning how expensive model railways are but what they don’t remember is that it’s never been as cheap in relation to earnings. I like to rebuke by mentioning that models of the 1960’s, 70’s, 80’s and into the 90’s don’t have a patch on what’s available now. Yeah, I think we get the profit bit, model manufacturers will never be charity. And you can’t really compare a Bachmann 37 with a Lima one. Compare apples with apples. For instance , my weathered 37174/242 cost £106 4 years ago, weathered standard 37s are going for £145 ish at present ( KMRC 37422 ). That’s a 36% rise.My wages haven’t risen anywhere near that much, hope yours have. And it’s exactly our * lack * of choice that drives this. There is no other half decent 37 in production . If Bachmann think it’s really worth this much, I’d like to see them not reduce the RRP when , say, accurascale produce a modern tooled 37 for £150 a throw. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium amwells Posted September 5, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 5, 2019 6 hours ago, jools1959 said: I’m awaiting my all singing, all dancing 37025, but I just wish they’d done 37116 in Colas instead. Variety of view is great! I wish they’d done 37116 in Transrail blue as Sister Dora! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 12 hours ago, JiLo said: I've long suspected that older tooling being sold at what may seem a high price, keeps the RRP down for the highly detailed new models, the costs being split across the whole range. I doubt that Bachmann, as a commercial venture that has to ride the long-term ups and downs of the market, would rob Peter to pay Paul, rather than maximising the value from each product line. But I think that you may have nailed it here: 12 hours ago, JiLo said: Remember that between each run, costs of raw materials increase, labour costs increase, shipping costs increase and exchange rates fluctuate, the company can only absorb so much before having to increase prices. While the tooling may have been amortised, some of those savings may have been absorbed by increased overall production costs in China. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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