Bachmann Midland 1P 0-4-4T

[NHY 581]

[scots region]

On 02/12/2020 at 09:22, NHY 581 said:

 

What breed is that one?  

[NHY 581]

14 minutes ago, scots region said:

 

What breed is that one?  

Sheep. 

[scots region]

55 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

Sheep. 

 

Baa! 

[NHY 581]

3 minutes ago, scots region said:

 

Baa! 

Humbug. 

[scots region]

1 minute ago, NHY 581 said:

Humbug. 

 

'You boy! What day be it?' 

[NHY 581]

1 minute ago, scots region said:

 

'You boy! What day be it?' 

 

 

Hopefully, Bachmann 1P day. 

 

Any more news on the arrival of these little chaps? 

 

Rob. 

[Steamport Southport]

Christmas Day?

 

In stock at Kernow.

 

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/c/606/OO-Gauge

 

 

Other retailers are available as the Beeb says....

 

 

Jason

[daltonparva]

1 hour ago, NHY 581 said:

 

 

Hopefully, Bachmann 1P day. 

 

Any more news on the arrival of these little chaps? 

 

Rob. 

There are at least 2 sellers advertising them on eBay, I'm not sure if they are in stock or not.

PS, one seller spells Bachmann with 1 n.

Edited December 3, 2020 by daltonparva

[New Haven Neil]

On 27/11/2020 at 12:05, phil-b259 said:

 

Snip<

 

The other big omission is anything in the early LMS freight livery (unlined black with large numbers on the tanks / tender and a small pseudo LMS red plate on the bunker / cabside.

 

 

Well actually.....

 

Bachmann did the 4F in this livery about 2 years ago.  I'm not surprised you missed it, as everyone else did too, they were bolted to our shelves!  Incredibly slow sellers.

 

Edit - I think I miss-recalled this - it was Midland livery, with the crest on the cab side, my apologies.  Still awful seller though!

Edited December 3, 2020 by New Haven Neil

[Steamport Southport]

But they have in N Gauge.

 

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/37691/graham-farish-372-063-n-gauge-mr-3835-4f-with-fowler-tender-4057-lms-black-mr-numerals-

 

 

Jason

[New Haven Neil]

Perhaps that is what was in my mind, Jason - melded the two together in my forgettory.

[phil-b259]

1 hour ago, New Haven Neil said:

 

Edit - I think I miss-recalled this - it was Midland livery, with the crest on the cab side, my apologies.  Still awful seller though!

 

Indeed - but at the time it was released there was no suitable RTR stock to go with it

 

A few years later a Midland Railway brake van appeared but thats about it.

 

To make such a humdrum loco 'work' as something people will want to buy Bachmann needed to follow it up with some other Midland items (i.e. some MR passenger stock and a ordinary MR passenger loco) allowing a proper Midland Railway model to be made*

 

 

 

[Invicta]

16 hours ago, New Haven Neil said:

 

Well actually.....

 

Bachmann did the 4F in this livery about 2 years ago.  I'm not surprised you missed it, as everyone else did too, they were bolted to our shelves!  Incredibly slow sellers.

 

Edit - I think I miss-recalled this - it was Midland livery, with the crest on the cab side, my apologies.  Still awful seller though!

As nice a model as it is, being plain black it lacked the 'shiny thing' appeal for collectors that something like the SECR-liveried version of the C had, and in isolation, with a lack of suitable RTR Midland stock to run behind it, as Phil suggests, it wasn't a particularly useful model in layout terms, so it's no surprise it stayed bolted to the shelves- (I suspect the LNWR version of the ROD 2-8-0 might fall into the same category?)

Certainly I only bought mine because I had a reasonable number of kit-built pre-grouping wagons to run with it, and because the trader I bought it from at a show was selling them at a healthy discount.

Even then it was bought with half-a-mind to tweak it into the early LMS goods livery to match the AIrfix 4F I repainted about 20 years ago, until I picked up a secondhand MR-liveried OO Works 2F last year to give it a shed-mate, so it'll stay Midland now.

 

 

14 hours ago, phil-b259 said:

 

Indeed - but at the time it was released there was no suitable RTR stock to go with it

 

A few years later a Midland Railway brake van appeared but thats about it.

 

To make such a humdrum loco 'work' as something people will want to buy Bachmann needed to follow it up with some other Midland items (i.e. some MR passenger stock and a ordinary MR passenger loco) allowing a proper Midland Railway model to be made*

 

 

 

 

The 1P maybe moves that on a bit towards an easy way into pre-grouping modelling- If you've got the Bachmann MR-liveried 4F and brake van and a few suitable PO wagons,  add the 1P, some Hattons Genesis coaches when they appear next year (or the Ratio MR coach kits), and a few Slaters Midland wagon kits, and you've got a basic starting point for a small Midland layout without too much in the way of kit-building. 

Edited December 4, 2020 by Invicta
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[NHY 581]

On 03/12/2020 at 18:48, Steamport Southport said:

Christmas Day?

 

In stock at Kernow.

 

 

 

 

Jason

 

 

Now showing sold out....

[Dunsignalling]

5 minutes ago, NHY 581 said:

 

 

Now showing sold out....

Good thing I ordered mine last week, then.

[Steamport Southport]

Yes. I looked for the Crimson one and they only had the sound ones left. Now the BR version seem to have sold out as well. 

 

I got one from TMC, they still have them for pre order with free P&P.

 

 

Jason

[friscopete]

Just got  a crimson one from antics.

[johnd]

Had a BR version delivered by my local model shop owner on his way home, decoder fitted , tomorrow will be setting up the decoder and running to my likening and giving it a running in.

Superb customer service ! Thanks Jim.

Edited December 4, 2020 by johnd

[Isambard Smith]

On 03/12/2020 at 18:48, Steamport Southport said:

Christmas Day?

 

In stock at Kernow.

 

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/c/606/OO-Gauge

 

 

Other retailers are available as the Beeb says....

 

 

Jason

I've got one on preorder through rails of Sheffield...still says pending...

 

I'm checking it every 30 seconds tho , you know, just in case

Edited December 4, 2020 by Isambard Smith

[Dunsignalling]

On 03/12/2020 at 22:29, phil-b259 said:

 

Indeed - but at the time it was released there was no suitable RTR stock to go with it

 

A few years later a Midland Railway brake van appeared but thats about it.

 

To make such a humdrum loco 'work' as something people will want to buy Bachmann needed to follow it up with some other Midland items (i.e. some MR passenger stock and a ordinary MR passenger loco) allowing a proper Midland Railway model to be made*

 

 

 

Commercially speaking, maybe it doesn't need to "work". Sales of pre-group-liveried locos don't seem to have been unduly damaged by it in the past, and probably won't in this case.

 

Any shortage of established or would-be Midland modellers will be more than balanced by collectors, those with freelance pick'n'mix "preservation" layouts, and the Rule One mob. Without them, would it even be viable to produce r-t-r locos in the numbers true modellers of any pre-group company would buy?  

 

Another boost for Hatton's forthcoming "Genesis" coaches.

 

John

[Isambard Smith]

40 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Commercially speaking, maybe it doesn't need to "work". Sales of pre-group-liveried locos don't seem to have been unduly damaged by it in the past, and probably won't in this case.

 

Any shortage of established or would-be Midland modellers will be more than balanced by collectors, those with freelance pick'n'mix "preservation" layouts, and the Rule One mob. Without them, would it even be viable to produce r-t-r locos in the numbers true modellers of any pre-group company would buy?  

 

Another boost for Hatton's forthcoming "Genesis" coaches.

 

John

Also, even for anyone thinking "one day ill do a midland layout",  they're gonna be planning ahead: "better get that loco on preorder now cos in 20 yrs time when the coaches for it become available ill look pretty daft if I've nowt to pull 'em, so ill get one before they sell out..."

[phil-b259]

1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

Commercially speaking, maybe it doesn't need to "work". Sales of pre-group-liveried locos don't seem to have been unduly damaged by it in the past, and probably won't in this case.

 

 

 

Evidence suggests otherwise - see the comments earlier about the 4F being an extremely slow seller.

 

The 1P being in a more attractive livery is less affected by this problem, although the prospect of suitable coaching stock from Hattons will have also helped.

[Isambard Smith]

38 minutes ago, phil-b259 said:

 

Evidence suggests otherwise - see the comments earlier about the 4F being an extremely slow seller.

 

The 1P being in a more attractive livery is less affected by this problem, although the prospect of suitable coaching stock from Hattons will have also helped.

 

Well...its a black 060 tender engine.  And thats an accurate description of 85% of all steam locos.

 

And there's two types of black 060 engines;

There's the early ones with smaller boilers and bigger domes, and later ones with bigger boilers and very small domes or a bucket. And that's basically it...

 

I mean, how many near identical engines does anyone really need?  

[Compound2632]

12 minutes ago, Isambard Smith said:

I mean, how many near identical engines does anyone really need?  

Get out that old Ian Allan ABC and you'll soon realise the answer is "very many". What you really don't need are pacifics, unless you've got a lot of space.