Converting the front end of 45036

[SouthernBlue80s]

If I wanted to convert the front end of 45036 to a refurbished smooth finish with the twin headlights is there anywhere that sells the twin headlights?

 

From this ....

 

http://www.hattons.co.uk/60840/Bachmann_Branchline_32_680_Class_45_45036_in_BR_blue_with_split_centre_headcode/StockDetail.aspx

 

To this ......

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Class_45,_West_Hampstead,_late_1970s_(5).jpg

 

Also is there any 45/0 I should avoid renumbering 45036 into. Any that that had detail differences from 45036.

 

Thanks

[tractor_37260]

If I wanted to convert the front end of 45036 to a refurbished smooth finish with the twin headlights is there anywhere that sells the twin headlights?

 

From this ....

 

http://www.hattons.co.uk/60840/Bachmann_Branchline_32_680_Class_45_45036_in_BR_blue_with_split_centre_headcode/StockDetail.aspx

 

To this ......

 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Class_45,_West_Hampstead,_late_1970s_(5).jpg

 

Also is there any 45/0 I should avoid renumbering 45036 into. Any that that had detail differences from 45036.

 

Thanks

 

Shawplan does etched sealed beam lamp rings for 37/47's that "may" be suitable to use........................

[cheesysmith]

http://www.margam-depot.co.uk/

 

its has photos of almost every BR locomotive

[GordonC]

I'd love to have some flush fronted Peaks too and cant believe Bachmann haven't produced any since the TMC/Modelzone limited editions many years ago.

 

Its getting harder to make a start on conversions when its a £100+ base model now and even the slightest difference in positioning of the marker lights is going to look 'odd'.

 

I'll watch this thread with interest!

[SouthernBlue80s]

I agree. Now the base cost has gone up, you need to become braver in order to hack them about.

 

A few have given it a go in N guage

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/59104-class-45-sealed-beam-lights/

 

Perhaps someone on here has given it a go in OO and will post.

 

Shawplan bits here for class 37/47 for anyone interested.

http://www.petersspares.com/shawplan-dp3708-class-37-project-pack-ex-centre-indicator-locos-inc-1st-style-refurbished-nose-grilles-headcode-panels-roof-horn-mountings-lamp-brackets-d-lights-exhaust-port-grilles-fire-hatches-oo-gauge.ir

 

On reflection - I think I will probably give Bachmann one more year to release a flush fronted one and if not take the plunge.

[Daddyman]

The Shawplan ones are very flat - I'd avoid them. Last I heard, too, people were having trouble getting hold of him, though that may be over now, and the Peter's Spares route may be an option. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/103478-shawplan/

 

 

Most people seem to use tube - I've used it myself though not on a class 45. You need 2.5 mm plastic or brass tube. 

[Grampus]

A1 models (as far as I can remember) used to do a set of suitable turned brass marker lights, though it was a while back: I have some myself which are destined for a flush-fronted peak (an old one: I have got as far as building up the bonnet tops, cleaning off the front ends and drilling the holes: then the mojo ran away again....)  they were plugs which simply dropped into a pre-drill hole.  Sadly I have no idea whether they are still available.  Perhaps somebody on here might have a spare set squirreled away that they might be prepared to part with?

 

Hope that might be of use.  Best of luck,

 

Paul

 

NB.  I have just come across a similar previous thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/59104-class-45-sealed-beam-lights/

which might be of help. 

[Daddyman]

A1 models (as far as I can remember) used to do a set of suitable turned brass marker lights, though it was a while back: I have some myself which are destined for a flush-fronted peak (an old one: I have got as far as building up the bonnet tops, cleaning off the front ends and drilling the holes: then the mojo ran away again....)  they were plugs which simply dropped into a pre-drill hole.  Sadly I have no idea whether they are still available.  Perhaps somebody on here might have a spare set squirreled away that they might be prepared to part with?

 

Hope that might be of use.  Best of luck,

 

Paul

 

NB.  I have just come across a similar previous thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/59104-class-45-sealed-beam-lights/

which might be of help. 

Are you sure they're not headlights, designed for Scottish locos, and therefore wrong as sealed beam lights? See this post in the thread you referenced, for example: 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/59104-class-45-sealed-beam-lights/?p=740008

[Grampus]

Are you sure they're not headlights, designed for Scottish locos, and therefore wrong as sealed beam lights? See this post in the thread you referenced, for example: 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/59104-class-45-sealed-beam-lights/?p=740008

No, don't think so: they were sold as marker lights ( - and came in a pack of four).  What the photo you referring to does not show is that they have a bevelled edge with little depth to them and are designed to be let into the nose so as to lay near-flush against the nose front.  Granted they are a little over-scale, but they are not the car headlamp-type fitting (I think) you are referring to?  

 

Paul

[GordonC]

No, don't think so: they were sold as marker lights ( - and came in a pack of four).  What the photo you referring to does not show is that they have a bevelled edge with little depth to them and are designed to be let into the nose so as to lay near-flush against the nose front.  Granted they are a little over-scale, but they are not the car headlamp-type fitting (I think) you are referring to?  

 

Paul

 

the scottish locos were frequently fitted with pairs of headlights at both ends so coming in a pack of 4 may not be much of a clue

[Grampus]

Right,

 

I had an adventure earlier this evening and braved the magic cupboard ( - and that was a journey of discovery, I can tell you!) and found a packet of the A1 lights I was referring to.  Labelling on the packaging describes them only as 'A9001: Sealed Beam Headlights'.  Outside diameter is 3mm according to my calliper. 

 

I have attached a couple of  (phone camera) images: not the best, but hopefully the OP will at least get a better idea.  

 

As you can guess from the price tag, they have been in my bits box for a while. To clarify, the peg in the third picture is a tiny one, sold as a soldering aid - not the common or garden washing line variety!

 

Of course, if they are no longer available this may all be academic in any case!  Happy modelling. 

 

Hope this may help,

 

Paul

 

 

[SouthernBlue80s]

Thanks Paul that is all really useful information.

(As expected those sealed beam parts are no longer available)

 

I have also found this for those interested

 

http://www.45133.co.uk/uploads/2/2/3/1/22313750/converting_a_bachmann_class_45_model_to_45133.pdf

 

I think I will wait a little while longer. Bachmann I think are missing a trick, as I think there are many rail blue modelers that would snap up flush fronted 45s.

[forest2807]

Yes, exactly the same as I used on the Class 46 I did, referenced below. I still think it looks the part.

Are you sure they're not headlights, designed for Scottish locos, and therefore wrong as sealed beam lights? See this post in the thread you referenced, for example: 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/59104-class-45-sealed-beam-lights/?p=740008

[glasmonkey]

Thanks Paul that is all really useful information.

(As expected those sealed beam parts are no longer available)

 

I have also found this for those interested

 

http://www.45133.co.uk/uploads/2/2/3/1/22313750/converting_a_bachmann_class_45_model_to_45133.pdf

 

I think I will wait a little while longer. Bachmann I think are missing a trick, as I think there are many rail blue modelers that would snap up flush fronted 45s.

Hi, This is my Bachmann peak, it had a centre headcode that I filled (which you can still see through my thin yellow paint!) and fitted some 2mm LEDs with a small plastic tube ring. Rob

['CHARD]

Hi, This is my Bachmann peak, it had a centre headcode that I filled (which you can still see through my thin yellow paint!) and fitted some 2mm LEDs with a small plastic tube ring. Rob

 

Most convincing face I've seen TBH.

[darrel]

The great British locomotives series had a class 45 or was it a 46? you should be able to get one on eBay. It's an unpowered loco copied from the Bachmann loco. You should be able to get one for about ten quid then you can swap the bodies. Makes life much easier and costs about the same.

Edit it's a class 45

[SouthernBlue80s]

Thanks for all the replies so far. If nothing else this has been food for thought/ a good start point for those thinking of doing the conversion.

If I undertake the conversion I will post up pics.

 

(To add Grampus Paul has very kindly sent me some sealed beam bits...so I might not be able to help myself   )

['CHARD]

The great British locomotives series had a class 45 or was it a 46? you should be able to get one on eBay. It's an unpowered loco copied from the Bachmann loco. You should be able to get one for about ten quid then you can swap the bodies. Makes life much easier and costs about the same.

Edit it's a class 45

 

The problem with the GBL loco is that it has many aspects based on the previous Replica/ Mainline incarnation.  Including the nose ends, which in about every other respect are spectacularly inaccurate.

[cheesysmith]

Will A1 be at doncaster show? Has been there every other year so far, might be worth someone asking if he is. I noticed last year he had resurected some sprung buffers, so all may not be lost.

[lekkie lad]

With regard to Bachmann bringing out a sealed beam fronted Peak, I was talking to Dennis Lovett a couple of years ago (at Chinnor & Risboro' Rly, which Bachmann was sponsoring I think), and I asked him about it. He said there were no immediate plans for an uprated Peak, mainly due to the money which had been spent on the uprated class 40. A shame really as, although I don't need a class 45, I remember them from growing up near the Midland Main Line.

 

Ian S

[GordonC]

With regard to Bachmann bringing out a sealed beam fronted Peak, I was talking to Dennis Lovett a couple of years ago (at Chinnor & Risboro' Rly, which Bachmann was sponsoring I think), and I asked him about it. He said there were no immediate plans for an uprated Peak, mainly due to the money which had been spent on the uprated class 40. A shame really as, although I don't need a class 45, I remember them from growing up near the Midland Main Line.

 

Ian S

 

I dont think its so much an updated model thats needed, I thought it'd just be a fairly simple job of changing the cab fronts which I thought they'd have already to cover the centre headcode, centre-split headcode and split headcode combinations already. Some of the current releases have the later modifications of boiler port covered and bodyside steps covered over so I didn't think there would be much more to change. Shame because I'm only really interested in the marker light ones and thought they'd be an obvious omission to fill

[SouthernBlue80s]

If you look at my post on this thread  (no 319)

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117449-Bachmann-2017-range/page-13

 

I mentioned a flat fronted 45 and 8 people agreed that Bachmann should release one. Now 8 is not a huge amount and I am not just saying this because I want a couple.

But my gut feel, from what people say on here, is that it would be a good seller for Bachmann.

And as Gordon C has pointed out, it might not take too much doing.

[GordonC]

If you look at my post on this thread  (no 319)

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117449-Bachmann-2017-range/page-13

 

I mentioned a flat fronted 45 and 8 people agreed that Bachmann should release one. Now 8 is not a huge amount and I am not just saying this because I want a couple.

But my gut feel, from what people say on here, is that it would be a good seller for Bachmann.

And as Gordon C has pointed out, it might not take too much doing.

 

yes, I noticed it was missing from the Annual Survey too and asked about it being included. It just seems like such a big gap for modelling 1980s Peaks ... I'm not convinced I ever saw the front end options before marker lights on either Class 45s or 46s although I was only ever a rare visitor in their territory. I'd certainly have a couple easily

[45125]

The 45 & 46 both need upgrades from Bachmann if you want a flush front with MARKER LIGHTS ( they aren't sealed beams) as the nose end filter door are wrong. The  fixed filter grill was changed late 60s to a door. There also the variation in boiler grills, i.e. plated or grill, foot step plate over of removed altogether.

[GordonC]

The 45 & 46 both need upgrades from Bachmann if you want a flush front with MARKER LIGHTS ( they aren't sealed beams) as the nose end filter door are wrong. The  fixed filter grill was changed late 60s to a door. There also the variation in boiler grills, i.e. plated or grill, foot step plate over of removed altogether.

 

The split headcode 45120 certainly had the foot steps and boiler port plated over. If the fixed filter grill was changed to a door in the late 60s then I'd expect the BR Blue peaks to have had that already.