Guest Jack Benson Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 In order to self-deploy at semi-prepared sites, Did Warwell wagons carry timber baulks* to aid loading/unloading? Maybe they were carried in separate wagons or not at all? *in addition to the load 'in the well' Cheers and Stay Safe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 They tended to use a ramp wagon. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/modaramp Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Marlin Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 I'm considering getting one of these to carry a boiler load, which would entail removing the chain attachments at least on the well part of the wagon. Has anybody done this? How straightforward is it? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Black Marlin said: I'm considering getting one of these to carry a boiler load, which would entail removing the chain attachments at least on the well part of the wagon. Has anybody done this? How straightforward is it? Does this help. Just looks like the chains are held on by pins into the bed. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Marlin Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, bigherb said: Does this help. Just looks like the chains are held on by pins into the bed. It does, thanks. Appreciated! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Marlin Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Thanks, @bigherb. Your advice was spot on. The chains are pinned down at either end but the pins are friction-fit: there's no glue involved. It's the work of a moment to prise them out with a scalpel blade. Unchaining the wagon, gluing down the load and affixing the chains more appropriately was, all told, a five-minute job, and a very satisfying one too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WD1995 Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 17/10/2020 at 20:13, Jack Benson said: In order to self-deploy at semi-prepared sites, Did Warwell wagons carry timber baulks* to aid loading/unloading? Maybe they were carried in separate wagons or not at all? *in addition to the load 'in the well' Cheers and Stay Safe I believe most Warflat trains had a store van for carrying sleepers (for end loading and chocking), spare chains, re-railing parts and a ramp ladder, can't see why this wouldn't apply to Warwell trains as well. From the pictures I've seen the store vans normally seem to be ferry vans and have numbers painted on them to identify the train it belongs to. Even with a ramp wagon sleepers would have been used to stop them tearing apart the rails when they deploy onto track. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fircombehall Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 On 26/07/2021 at 16:58, WD1995 said: I believe most Warflat trains had a store van for carrying sleepers (for end loading and chocking), spare chains, re-railing parts and a ramp ladder, can't see why this wouldn't apply to Warwell trains as well. From the pictures I've seen the store vans normally seem to be ferry vans and have numbers painted on them to identify the train it belongs to. Even with a ramp wagon sleepers would have been used to stop them tearing apart the rails when they deploy onto track. I have seen tanks loaded onto Warwells using a ramp wagon. Do you know if they ever loaded/unloaded Shermans sideways? I have only seen photos of tanks loaded at the end. I know WW1 tanks were unloaded at the side? I am modelling a tank depot served by trains - do you know if BOTH methods were used? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2021 Photos do exist of WW1 tanks being loaded/unloaded from the side near the battle front. Ramps were built up of sleepers and covered with soil. The tanks were driven on to the wagons and then turned through ninety degrees to line up. The Warflats used had thick wooden floors that frequently required replacement after being chewed up by the tank tracks. At base camps end loading bays were employed and tanks were driven onto the train. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WD1995 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 I've seen pictures of the WW1 tanks loading via the side but not any involving Shermans and Warwells, I believe if they had no ramp wagons they would plan the journey around the use of an end loading dock. There is a video at the IWM that shows Shermans loading this way onto the shorter heavier rated warwells that I can send you a link to if you like. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fircombehall Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 23 hours ago, PhilJ W said: Photos do exist of WW1 tanks being loaded/unloaded from the side near the battle front. Ramps were built up of sleepers and covered with soil. The tanks were driven on to the wagons and then turned through ninety degrees to line up. The Warflats used had thick wooden floors that frequently required replacement after being chewed up by the tank tracks. At base camps end loading bays were employed and tanks were driven onto the train. Thank you, yes, I have seen WW1 tanks loading/unloading sideways - just wondered about Shermans? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fircombehall Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, WD1995 said: I've seen pictures of the WW1 tanks loading via the side but not any involving Shermans and Warwells, I believe if they had no ramp wagons they would plan the journey around the use of an end loading dock. There is a video at the IWM that shows Shermans loading this way onto the shorter heavier rated warwells that I can send you a link to if you like. Thank you WD1995. I want to get the scene "correct" if you understand, so I will stick with end loading. I have managed to acquire the ramp wagon they sometimes carried. Hattons, on their website, show some interesting formations in wartime. If you are allowed to send the link I would be very grateful. Thank you for your quick response. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cane Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 If tanks were regularly loaded and un loaded at the depot then a ramp would be built. A typical example can be found her https://penistonearchive.co.uk/the-railway/ Scroll down fo two pictures of a concrete ramp. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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