Les1952 Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, Scottish Modeller said: Hi Les, The answers to your questions are all in the documentation on the NGS website. http://www.ngaugesociety.org/sandpit/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/NGS-Hunslet-DCC-Manual-v1.01-released-Aug-2020.pdf Thanks Phil H Then setting CV3 and CV4 to either 0 or 1 should get rid of the coasting and slow start, just as in many other chips. I still think that as a shunter it is just a b****y nuisance to have coasting, pretty much the same as in my sound-fitted WD saddle tanks. A loco that coasts gently to a standstill is a serious menace to everything around it in a 5 foot OO layout (and in a 3 foot N-gauge yard) Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted November 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Les1952 said: I still think that as a shunter it is just a b****y nuisance to have coasting, pretty much the same as in my sound-fitted WD saddle tanks. A loco that coasts gently to a standstill is a serious menace to everything around it in a 5 foot OO layout (and in a 3 foot N-gauge yard) Les Hi there, I have to say I don't really see the problem here. Just hit F3 to put the loco in Yard Mode and turn the inertia off. Personally when testing the models I rather liked the inertia as having to think ahead feels more like driving the real thing. cheers Ben A. Edited November 27, 2021 by Revolution Ben 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigelcliffe Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 20 hours ago, Les1952 said: One niggle. There isn't a CV list provided with them. As supplied they have rather a substantial degree of inertia- sufficient coast to render shunting difficult unless they are set to shunt mode using F3. In shunt mode they are well behaved. .... With hindsight would it not have been more sensible for them to have been set in shunt mode as default and to use F3 to switch inertia ON rather than off? Failing that does anyone know which CV to change to achieve this? As pointed out, there is a thorough manual available on the NGS website. Which would probably add quite a bit to the cost if printed and put in every packet. The acceleration/deceleration setting is the same as most DCC decoders, as you've found. I did the CV setup for the loco, almost two years ago. The settings in any loco are a compromise between what different users want. Different throttle designs often cause differences in driving styles. What I set out to achieve was having as many features as possible visible to the user, so they then might go and adjust them to their liking, rather than never finding them because they're buried in a CV list. Hence key to turn off inertia, operate coupling shuffle behaviour, lights dim/bright. I couldn't think of a way of inverting the behaviour of the shunt-mode key within the constraints of the underlying decoder firmware. - Nigel 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 4 hours ago, Nigelcliffe said: As pointed out, there is a thorough manual available on the NGS website. Which would probably add quite a bit to the cost if printed and put in every packet. The acceleration/deceleration setting is the same as most DCC decoders, as you've found. I did the CV setup for the loco, almost two years ago. The settings in any loco are a compromise between what different users want. Different throttle designs often cause differences in driving styles. What I set out to achieve was having as many features as possible visible to the user, so they then might go and adjust them to their liking, rather than never finding them because they're buried in a CV list. Hence key to turn off inertia, operate coupling shuffle behaviour, lights dim/bright. I couldn't think of a way of inverting the behaviour of the shunt-mode key within the constraints of the underlying decoder firmware. - Nigel Having ridden quite a few times on the green ones in service (inc no.503) and also on a maroon one at Prince of Wales Colliery at Pontefract I would have said that for at least 90% of the time the prototype was being used there was little displayed in the way of inertia - and what there was tended to be due to slippery track and thus accompanied by the wheels being stopped or even turning the opposite way to the direction the train was moving.... As a slight aside one memorable trip (actually on D9555) on NCB metals we were invited to drive, which in turn we did. When I asked the driver how to apply the brakes he replied "we don't usually bother as they never work- just put it in reverse". Significantly when we alighted he had coasted up a slight incline almost to a stop and we hopped off before he opened the throttle again. I did adjust CV3 and CV4 to 1 on all three and this has made them behave much more prototypically. For a loco to take over 100 feet to stop from a scale 15mph just isn't prototypical. My locos are driven at exhibitions by a variety of people, and I can't always get a session with them beforehand to explain the different characteristics of each loco, hence a shunter that has to be toggled to shunt using F3 is a bit of a liability when in the hands of inexperienced operators. I keep a degree of inertia on mainline locos (about a third of that which some chips set by default) but remove it on locos whose purpose is shunting. All the very best Les 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted November 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) Presumably for analogue dinosaurs like me, none of this nonsensical bamboozoling techno babble applies? Edited November 28, 2021 by John M Upton 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 11 hours ago, John M Upton said: Presumably for analogue dinosaurs like me, none of this nonsensical bamboozoling techno babble applies? On DC if you switch left it goes left, slowly; if you switch right it goes right, slowly. Nice and simple. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trewisin Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 Hi all I like your thoughts on the new locos the dinnosors as you put it annolog as apposed to digtal I think we can all now enjoy which ever mode of operation we like. Im still annolog and i have no intention of changing. Regards Ray. PS Ben they eventually moved Evergreen ship (joke). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 28/11/2021 at 21:53, Bomag said: On DC if you switch left it goes left, slowly; if you switch right it goes right, slowly. Nice and simple. I did panic a little when I connected the first one out of the box and it went the opposite way to the controller knob. then I tried another loco and it did the same. A quick check showed said controller had had wires disconnected when borrowed a few weeks back and had been reconnected the wrong way round. Shows how often I run analogue these days.... Why didn't I spot it? All of my power supplies connect to whatever track they are used on with a Kato uniconnector- coloured differently for analogue or digital. Reversing the wires screwed into the back of the controller wouldn't show up until I turned the control knob. Les Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichSt Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Those remaining of the first batch are now up for sale to members. I just ordered the NCB maroon one. Had a hard time choosing livery but I could only go for one so as to leave space for another one when the other liveries arrive! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trewisin Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 HI All , I test ran both of mine and they run really well ( on good old fashioned DC ) Iam amazed at the size of the lights (LEDS) used in the Hunslets and also the flashing light on the BS yellow version. These are better than some of the commecial products on the markel well done NGS development team . l look forward to another new model if its not to hard to dream . Regards to all and a MERRY XMAS I can see a few Hunslets going around the Christmas tree. HAPPY NEWYEAR. Ray. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted December 18, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2021 I have to take my hat off to the NGS. This is a delightful model, quite possibly the best running RTR loco out of the box I've ever had. Absolutely worth the cost of joining the society! Tom. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gedlee Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 To my surprise 2 more Hunslets arrived today. Lafarge and Harry Needle. These are exquisite models and fabulous in every way. Ben and others involved in bringing them to production can be justifiably proud of the achievement. cheers, Ged 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2022 Well, a letter awaited me on the doormat this morning asking for the balance for the Caledonian Blue one I pre-ordered so hopefully it is on its way soon! I have to admit I am tempted to get an undecorated one at some point as well... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 21, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2022 Mine arrived this morning but sadly its DOA. On test it flashed the lights momentarily and did not move. On sniffing the chassis (Ooooh errr missus!) there is a noticeable electrical burning smell emitting. It looks good though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted January 22, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2022 Mystery solved, the siding on which it was being tested does not have a electronic track cleaner feed (specifically for this loco) but the mainline does and erroneously the points were set from the mainline at the time so it looks like I have fried it!! Nuts... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Harbour Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 My first one arrived last Thursday. Took it along to my local club on Friday night and had it running around our exhibition N gauge layout very happily indeed. A delightful little locomotive. I love it! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilambie Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 For those (like myself) who were eagerly awaiting the second batch to go available on the shop, a quick check this morning and i noticed the LaFarge livery was up at 90+ stock, order placed before the undoubted rush! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MarshLane Posted February 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2022 My British Steel examples arrived this morning. Not run yet, but superb and the detail on these is wonderful. Looking forward to getting things sorted out to be able to use them. Well done to all involved. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TomE Posted February 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2022 Hi. My name is Tom, and I'm addicted to Hunslets. Couldn't resist a second Tom. 1 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium steam-driven boy Posted June 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2022 Hi, Postie just delivered my BP and Esso Hunslets so the third tranche has arrived, will get out the test loop and have a play.😎 Seems a very long time since I did the same with my maroon one, very happy day. Regards, Gerry. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 How many liveries are being produced? And could someone post photos of these liveries on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted January 9, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, 6990WitherslackHall said: How many liveries are being produced? And could someone post photos of these liveries on here? Hi there, All the liveries with available stock levels are listed here: https://www.ngsjoin.com/hunslet-industrial-shunter-339-c.asp cheers Ben A 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 6 hours ago, 6990WitherslackHall said: How many liveries are being produced? And could someone post photos of these liveries on here? You do realise this is an N gauge model? I think you are in OO? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6990WitherslackHall Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 16 hours ago, Ravenser said: You do realise this is an N gauge model? I think you are in OO? Yes. Although I'm currently working on an OO gauge layout, I model in both N gauge and OO gauge. My Grandad is interested in getting one and wanted to know what all the liveries were, that's why I asked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benn Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Has anyone been able to actually shunt prototypically with one of these locos on DCC, for anything more than a minute or two without it stalling? I've given my two a serious running in, for an hour or so each in both directions, wheels cleaned and my track is spotlessly clean. Even when I pair them up I cannot get them to run without stopping in random places (often on plain line and with no particular pattern). I tried them on my layout at Glasgow and they lasted about 5 minutes before they were taken off... I'm using a Lenz LH100 by the way. I don't understand how even as a pair, with 'stay alive', they can't keep each other running. The NGS stand staff who came to have a look at the situation at the exhibition were also baffled. If anyone has experienced anything of the like with the Lenz controller, or might have a suggestion as to why it might be occurring, please let me know. Edited January 13, 2023 by Benn Spelling! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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