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West Highland Line V4, a 1980's West Highland Line layout


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18 hours ago, 03060 said:

 

Hello Rob,

 

Is that a 'trick' of the angle of the lower 2 photos being taken or have you prototypically modelled the change of gradient that is genuinely found part way along Ardlui station area ?

 

It's not noticeable in the top 2 photos that's all, which are taken more square on to the site of where the gradient appears to change in the lower 2.

 

Impressive attention to detail if you have !

 

Regards,

Ian.

 

Short answer is yes, I am attempting to create the gradient profile surrounding the mountainside on the western side of the station within the constraints of available space. I am not quite happy with it yet but with a little more Sculptamold I think I can get there. The view from the picture below is what I want to create, it needs a lot of trees and bushes. 

 

The Bonny Banks

 

I am happy with the underpass and surrounding area, again lots of bushes and undergrowth needed.

 

Ardlui 5th of September 2010 - 03

 

The eastern bank to the immediate north of the station where there is a copse of trees is the area I am least happy with.

 

37014 Ardlui station 7th June 1982

 

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45 minutes ago, young37215 said:

 

Short answer is yes, I am attempting to create the gradient profile surrounding the eastern side of the station within the constraints of available space.

 

 

Morning Rob (and all),

 

Sorry I think that we might be at slight crossed purposes as I was referring to the trackbed and platform  gradient which changes somewhere around the points area in the sidings and is quite evident on some photos or DVD footage of Ardlui.

 

The best example of this that I can find at the moment is this photo by Ernie which if you look along the length of the Alumina train illustrates how the line gradient profile changes between the descent from Glen Falloch to the ascent up towards the Arrochar area. I thought that this showed up in the lower 2 photos of your OP but couldn't see it in the upper 2 .... and also that it was very brave if you had recreated this on your model.

 

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All totally irrelevant in the grand scheme of things as I certainly think that you are capturing the 'feel' of the Ardlui area with what you are doing. Looking forward to seeing it progress. :good_mini:

 

Regards,

Ian.

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22 hours ago, 03060 said:

Sorry I think that we might be at slight crossed purposes as I was referring to the trackbed and platform  gradient which changes somewhere around the points area in the sidings and is quite evident on some photos or DVD footage of Ardlui.

 

The best example of this that I can find at the moment is this photo by Ernie which if you look along the length of the Alumina train illustrates how the line gradient profile changes between the descent from Glen Falloch to the ascent up towards the Arrochar area. I thought that this showed up in the lower 2 photos of your OP but couldn't see it in the upper 2 .... and also that it was very brave if you had recreated this on your model.

 

Clearly I misinterpreted Ian's question. The answer is still 'yes', the gradient change of the rail through Ardlui station is represented although visually it is not quite as pronounced as is the case in reality. To create the effect I added 3mm strips of cork to the trestles under the baseboards at each end of the station which makes the gradient transition evident at the mid point of the station. 

 

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I have being reading through this thread for several days now, and have thoroughly enjoyed it. 

What a fantastic model railway, with lots of lovely scenery, attention to detail, and rolling stock. 
 

It’s nice to see a layout with the correct amount of vegetation on the embankments, as so many layouts, just have the odd tree or bush, and that’s it. I appreciate tree’s are quite expensive, but to achieve the realism that you have, I think investing in the vegetation is very important, as it gives a greater depth to the landscape, and makes it look more realistic.

 

I shall continue to follow your thread, and marvel at this lovely layout.

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On 14/11/2021 at 11:02, Charlie75 said:

I have being reading through this thread for several days now, and have thoroughly enjoyed it. 

What a fantastic model railway, with lots of lovely scenery, attention to detail, and rolling stock. 
 

It’s nice to see a layout with the correct amount of vegetation on the embankments, as so many layouts, just have the odd tree or bush, and that’s it. I appreciate tree’s are quite expensive, but to achieve the realism that you have, I think investing in the vegetation is very important, as it gives a greater depth to the landscape, and makes it look more realistic.

 

I shall continue to follow your thread, and marvel at this lovely layout.


Kind words, thank you. The scenery is what creates the feel of the west highlands which is what I want to achieve. A first layer of scenic material ground cover has been laid at Ardlui, I’ll see how it looks when the glue has dried. Trees and bushes can go down once I am happy with the ground cover.

 

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20 hours ago, mallaig1983 said:

Wow. That’s made a huge difference very quickly. May I ask what products you’ve used? Very effective bit of work. Yes you can’t really skimp on the scenery with a West Highland layout. It all adds to the atmosphere.

It’s all Woodland Scenics materials, the ground cover is a mix of blended, fine and coarse turfs. The bushes are a mix of clump foliage and bushes. I have fine leaf foliage to provide more height in addition to the trees. WS are not cheap but I managed to buy a good quantity at a discounted price in the Modelzone fire sale some 10 years ago and it’s nice to finally get around to using it.
 

The fencing has been installed around the underpass entrance and I have started to add bushes although there’s a lot more to do. There is a small rocky outcrop at the north end of the station which is the first time I have actually used the WS rock molds on the layout. 
 

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Thanks Rob. I have used some of the Woodland Scenics turfs, grass fibres and underbrush myself and thought I had what I needed. I’m happy with the results (so far) but looking at what you have done with the more overgrown areas I think I need to put a few more weapons in the arsenal for other areas on my layout.


Your progress is impressive and the rock looks great.

 

Andy

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WIth the help of others on RMWeb I appear to have found a solution to planting WS trees. A hole created using a suitable size drill bit and a little bit of pressure when inserting the tree creates a friction fit that feels reasonably secure. I have made a start at planting, at this stage I am looking to get a blend of trees and bushes which will take a bit of time to determine. For a first step I am delighted with the effect adding trees has, Ardlui is beginning to look how I want.  

 

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1 hour ago, young37215 said:

 For a first step I am delighted with the effect adding trees has, Ardlui is beginning to look how I want.  

 

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Wow, that's looking superb, Rob !

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Having got to a position where the Ardlui section is usable, albeit still incomplete, I decided to start another days operations. I am sure readers will understand that this is purely to test Ardlui of course, nothing to do with being an 'I want to play trains today' day. If time permits I aim to fix the servos to the signals today as this will complete the automation of Ardlui and leave just further scenic work to complete the section. Scenicly the main outstanding area is the freight platform in the yard which is being delayed because I cannot find the plasticard brickwork I want to use for the platform facing; I know I have some but I just cannot find it in the rather large collection of storage boxes I have accumulated.

 

37081 has charge of the down sleeper seen as it calls at Ardlui.

 

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A week or two ago I set myself a list of work that I wanted to do, as at todays date I am happy that I have done the 50% of it scored out below. 

  • Garelochead south end of scenic section. Rocky cutting leading to the main fiddle yard needs completion
  • Ardlui scenery continued development
  • Mallaig section needs lifting onto the workbench for the scenic work to be completed and the extension to the station constructed
  • Mallaig Junction fiddle yard needs lifting onto the workbench for 3 servo controlled point motors to be relocated

By the end of yesterday I had 1 of 4 servos that will control the signals at Ardlui working correctly, 1 being a PIA and the other 2 in the first stages of installation. With a few hours work I aim to finish these today and will move to the rocky cutting at Garelochead next. Limited play time as a consequence of the signaling work although 27105 did get to move its engineering train south where it is seen arriving at Ardlui.

 

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Looking good, Rob.

 

Have you worked out why there is a combination of mechanical point rodding and concrete trunking?  Were the points/signals further away motorised?  There was a similar arrangement at Crianlarich which I am trying to get my head round.

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5 hours ago, BoD said:

Have you worked out why there is a combination of mechanical point rodding and concrete trunking?  Were the points/signals further away motorised?  There was a similar arrangement at Crianlarich which I am trying to get my head round.

 

I am confident that all WHL station points apart from at Fort William were mechanical until the signal box closures and changes made on the RETB arrival. Available pictorial evidence indicates that trunking arrived late in the 1960's or early 70's. My current hypothesis on the trunking is that it was most likely to be for electric cables to feed lights which replaced oil lamps in the signals. Several of the JM Boyes pictures from in Ernie Bracke's wonderful collection support this, the one below of Crianlarich dates from the 1960's which shows a lack of trunking.

 

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A stiff neck from Friday's gardening limited my activity yesterday, crawling under baseboards connecting servos to signals was not an option. I managed to make a start on the yard platform which will be low relief being right on the baseboard edge and shunted the engineers train into it to test the gauge. Having bought far too many wagons I need to use the sidings at the various stations along the line for storage so it is good to have the 3 at Ardlui back in service.    

 

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Another Ernie picture shows the trunking stopping alongside the signal with the mechanical point rodding extending onto the point.

 

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At Garelochead a 1950's picture shows no trunking which had been installed by the 1980's

 

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Some great photos there Rob,

 

I particularly like the last one of the TTA tanks. Now that Dapol have announced an O gauge version I’m trying to work out which livery I should buy. Most of the pictures on the WHL seem to show black BRT tanks with a few grey/ red solebar examples as in this photo. Whereas Dapol seem to have gone for the more colourful schemes. Has your research determined exactly which liveries worked the WHL in this period?

 

Regards

 

Andy

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22 hours ago, thegreenhowards said:

I particularly like the last one of the TTA tanks. Now that Dapol have announced an O gauge version I’m trying to work out which livery I should buy. Most of the pictures on the WHL seem to show black BRT tanks with a few grey/ red solebar examples as in this photo. Whereas Dapol seem to have gone for the more colourful schemes. Has your research determined exactly which liveries worked the WHL in this period?

 

 

There was discussion regarding the most appropriate tankers for 1980's WHL a while ago but I cannot recall where is it was and my searches have not found what I want. Others may have better memories than me! I did come across the thread below which provides a good background to oil tanks, their colours and hazard markings. There are plenty of pictures on the internet (I favour Flickr)  showing examples on the WHL in a range of colours.

 

I am not that familiar with how freights containing vacum and air braked wagons were marshalled. I believe that the rules and regulations were quite complicated although I have never looked closely at them. I have seen pictures showing vacum braked wagons to the rear of mixed consists behind the air braked wagons which is what I have always understood to be a partially fitted freight. I use Bachmann TTA's which are not strictly correct because TTV's would have been required for the tanks that were tripped between Fort William and Mallaig as the coaching stock was vacum braked. In contrast the freights on the main WHL were all air braked which means that somewhere along the way there would have been an unfitted element. At this point my eyes begin to glaze over and it gets to complicated hence I just stick to the TTA's and blissful ignorance.

 

Not a great resume but it is the extent of my knowledge. 

 

 

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There was discussion regarding the most appropriate tankers for 1980's WHL a while ago but I cannot recall where is it was and my searches have not found what I want. Others may have better memories than me! I did come across the thread below which provides a good background to oil tanks, their colours and hazard markings. There are plenty of pictures on the internet (I favour Flickr)  showing examples on the WHL in a range of colours.

 

I am not that familiar with how freights containing vacum and air braked wagons were marshalled. I believe that the rules and regulations were quite complicated although I have never looked closely at them. I have seen pictures showing vacum braked wagons to the rear of mixed consists behind the air braked wagons which is what I have always understood to be a partially fitted freight. I use Bachmann TTA's which are not strictly correct because TTV's would have been required for the tanks that were tripped between Fort William and Mallaig as the coaching stock was vacum braked. In contrast the freights on the main WHL were all air braked which means that somewhere along the way there would have been an unfitted element. At this point my eyes begin to glaze over and it gets to complicated hence I just stick to the TTA's and blissful ignorance.

 

Not a great resume but it is the extent of my knowledge. 

 

 

 

I think that it was touched on in @mallaig1983's thread about his Mallaig layout but also a quick 'Mallaig oil tanks' search brings up several other threads with related comments and photos which will give useful information ....but could lose you most of a morning !

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On 20/11/2021 at 08:09, young37215 said:

A week or two ago I set myself a list of work that I wanted to do, as at todays date I am happy that I have done the 50% of it scored out below. 

  • Garelochead south end of scenic section. Rocky cutting leading to the main fiddle yard needs completion
  • Ardlui scenery continued development
  • Mallaig section needs lifting onto the workbench for the scenic work to be completed and the extension to the station constructed
  • Mallaig Junction fiddle yard needs lifting onto the workbench for 3 servo controlled point motors to be relocated

By the end of yesterday I had 1 of 4 servos that will control the signals at Ardlui working correctly, 1 being a PIA and the other 2 in the first stages of installation. With a few hours work I aim to finish these today and will move to the rocky cutting at Garelochead next. Limited play time as a consequence of the signaling work although 27105 did get to move its engineering train south where it is seen arriving at Ardlui.

 

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Wow . You've certainly captured the atmosphere there , having driven past Ardlui on Saturday!  Brilliant modelling

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My stiff neck/shoulder has not improved sufficiently to progress the signal motorisation at Ardlui. So far I have only managed to complete the work on one signal; it's frustrating but there is nothing I can do but wait for an improvment. Automating points and signals using a Megapoints network has proved more straightforward than I ever expected and unless shunting is required I can manage the entire layout from the control panel located alongside the fiddle yard. The only tricky part in the servo installation is the accurate location of the servo bracket to the point/signal that is being controlled. Get this right and it is a matter of just a few minutes to set the servo to move the point/signal as required. For signals I use a 0.35mm piano wire connecting the servo to the MSE manufactured hole on the arm of the point. 

 

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Under baseboard mounted servo which controls the above signal

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27105 sits in the sidings at Ardlui, like me, it's awaiting a return to action

 

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Yesterday I managed to complete the bulk of the work on the freight platform at Ardlui. Being on the edge of the baseboard the platform is formed in low relief and made out of Wills coarse stone for the facing and plasticard cut to fit for the platform itself. 

 

Initial cut of plasticard to form the low relief platform surface

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Platform glued down and painted in undercoat. The gauge is not quite right yet and the platform surface will get detailing once the paint is dry 

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Bushes added to fill in the remaining gaps in ground cover

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Looking south towards Ardlui station, I want to motorise the 2 signals to complete this phase of development

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On 24/11/2021 at 06:53, young37215 said:

Yesterday I managed to complete the bulk of the work on the freight platform at Ardlui. Being on the edge of the baseboard the platform is formed in low relief and made out of Wills coarse stone for the facing and plasticard cut to fit for the platform itself. 

 

Initial cut of plasticard to form the low relief platform surface

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Platform glued down and painted in undercoat. The gauge is not quite right yet and the platform surface will get detailing once the paint is dry 

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Bushes added to fill in the remaining gaps in ground cover

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Looking south towards Ardlui station, I want to motorise the 2 signals to complete this phase of development

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That looks fantastic now. Fort William has more or less disappeared behind the trees and the overall scene is very convincing.

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