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 I think a picture provides a better answer than words to answer Ian 's (ISW) question. The short bit of track by the oil terminal platform was connected to the adjoining siding but I do not have sufficient space to include the point hence just my token piece of track. I deviated from the usual approach of weathering track prior to ballasting in an effort to achieve the dilapidated and dirty appearance that typified a secondary BR station in the early 1980's. 

 

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A fiddly day yesterday spent constructing the platform walls and the taller wall to the seaward side of the platform that attempted to protect passengers from the Atlantic breeze!. By the end of the day I was nearly finished and hope that today I can complete the platform walls and start on the platform itself. 

 

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Less progress than I hoped for yesterday, a combination of too much sport on the TV and uncertainty over the sizes of the oil tanks to fit into to my available space. I did complete the platform walls and add a plywood backscene to the rear of the section. The backscene crystallises the space into which the 6 storage tanks of varying sizes have to fit and what additional scenery can be incorporated.

 

Having spent the day testing various options I anticipate my version of Mallaig only having 5 storage tanks made up of the 2 main vertical tanks and 3 smaller horizontal tanks. I have yet to decide precisely how to model the tanks, I hope that I can use some off cuts of different diameter plumbers pipe scrounged from a builder friend and the remnants of an existing oil terminal pipe work as a low cost option. My fall back is a combination of the Knightwing range of tanks although without seeing these in the flesh it is difficult to judge which kits to choose.

 

Provided the glue used to secure the platform walls has fully hardened over night, I will amke a start on getting the platform laid today.  

 

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Looking good Rob. Tankswise the Knightwing range has a few different kits in it but it looks to me that each kit uses the same tank section. While a perfectly adequate representation of the oil depot could be built all of the tanks would be of the same diameter. I'm happy to be corrected on this but after much studying this is how it appears to me. The Knightwing kit that I built I used all the tank sections. One could of course use less or more sections to build shorter or longer tanks to give variety. You may also find that your friend has a decent variety of offcuts to pick and choose from.

 

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I created 4 storage tanks from pipe off cuts, 2 vertical at 120 x 68mm and 2 horizontal at 100 x 40. Placed in situ to get a feel, they look somewhere close to the reality. I will add plasticard to create the top and spray them light grey. With some pipework and ladders they should do the job.

 

I intend adding 1 further tank in the gap, this was slightly smaller requiring something in the region of 80 x 30. Still searching for a solution on this.

 

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Rob, have you seen the Heljan news for the Mexican Bean class 104 to be released ? Which might be just at the edge of your timeframe.

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11 hours ago, ISW said:

Rob,

 

I recently came across the following photo in the December 1999 issue of Modern Railways. I thought it might make an interesting train to add to your layout.

 

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I would love to run a Royal Scotsman but the consist in the picture is not the correct one for my era. Your picture shows the second consist that first ran in 1989, the first consist started running in 1985 comprising some wonderful old rolling stock as seen in the picture below. Unfortunately there are no obvious proprietary models available to model them and the work that scratch building or converting is beyond my budget or competence.  

 

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An issue with the Mallaig platform lights slowed progress yesterday, having thought I had found the answer to making the LEDs work I attempted to create a BUS to power them. The first light was connected to the BUS and worked, connecting the second LED caused everything to stop and I am still trying to find out what I have done wrong.

 

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Hi,

I remember the original Royal Scotsman train well when it used to visit Oban on its tour schedule,  Although never allowed on-board I used to marvel at the decor of the interiors of the coaches, especially the dining set!  Made our standard service trains look like what they really were, grotty!  When the Sprinters first appeared everyone thought it was the dawn of a new age of rail travel to Glasgow, however it wasn't long before the failings of the Sprinters became apparent and we wished we could have our old trains back, grotty as they were!

 

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16 minutes ago, 37Oban said:

Hi,

I remember the original Royal Scotsman train well when it used to visit Oban on its tour schedule,  Although never allowed on-board I used to marvel at the decor of the interiors of the coaches, especially the dining set!  Made our standard service trains look like what they really were, grotty!  When the Sprinters first appeared everyone thought it was the dawn of a new age of rail travel to Glasgow, however it wasn't long before the failings of the Sprinters became apparent and we wished we could have our old trains back, grotty as they were!

 

Roja

 

I don't mind the Sprinters . Introduced 30 years ago ......Eeek!  Agree a proper train would be good though . I do wonder if Scotrail are missing a trick here . Sprinterisation brings benefits , but could they not run a loco hauled train to Oban at least once a day . Say ex Glasgow 8am and returning ex Oban 5pm. Imagine a proper train maybe 5 or 6 coaches with brakes for all the hikers and cyclists . Giving them time at Oban but also Loch Lomond , Tyndrum, Dalmally for Glen Orchy , Taynuilt, Connell . Lots of spectacular scenery on the doorstep.  Head it with a 37 and you get the enthusiast market too.  The Jacobite and the Staycation express on the S&C are successful , so maybe it could work here.

 

I am aware that Scotrail are introducing 153s for Cyclists initially on the Oban route . This means that trains will no longer split at Crianlarich  because platforms on route are not large enough to cope with 4 cars to FW and 3 to Oban so they will have to run at least one specific train to Oban a day anyway.

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Hi Legend,

 

like you, I don't mind Sprinters, but in the right place.  When introduced onto the Oban line they replaced 3 coach sets in winter, 6 coach sets in summer, with just 2 coaches all year with limited luggage accommodation!  This didn't go down well with some of the locals, who used Oban and Glasgow for major shopping expeditions, not say the tourists, cyclists and hikers with all their gear.  Groups of cyclists and hikers took to finding alternative means of transport, and in the meantime Scotrail ignored passengers concerned whilst stating that passenger numbers didn't warrant longer or extra trains!  Eventually, though, they saw at least a partial light and increased the service to 5 trains a day, which helped spread the passengers but the services connecting with the island ferries can still be a bit of a squeeze, even with advanced booking, and didn't really improve the situation for cyclists and hikers.

 

Now Scotrail has seen some more light and the converted 153's are due in service next summer, although I've read one or two people already complaining about their layout!  There's just no pleasing some people!

 

I agree with you about using a 37, or even a 27, on a tourist special, and I also think it would work.  Yes, the Sprinters are, fairly, efficient, but they don't compare to a 37, 6 on, growling up Glen Cruiten or at full chat along the Clyde!  I'd be first in the queue for a ticket or three!

 

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One of the biggest weaknesses of the modern railway is the inflexibility to respond effectively to seasonal changes in demand. The WHL is a classic example, two 6 coach loco hauled sets for summer use would likely meet with an increase in passenger numbers and get a number of vehicles off of the roads but, it seems, there is no appetite for this sort of flexibiility. It will be interesting to see if one of the charter operators builds on the apparent success of the S&C trains that ran earlier this year. Like others I would dearly love to spend a day or two being loco hauled on the WHL once again. 

 

Although I moved forward a little yesterday, I am still struggling with the platform lights where it appears I am reaping the dividend for buying cheap Chinese LED's. The problem has been narrowed down to one of the lights or, more likely, the resistors. Until I get these working as I want it will not be sensible to glue the platform to the platform walls although I did cut the plasticard to rough shape in anticipation of sorting the lights. Once glued down I will file the edges of the platform to enable rolling stock to pass without fouling and paint a line of coping stones.

 

The airbrush got another outing and a coat of frame dirt was applied to the newly ballasted areas and oversprayed elsewhere in an effort to create some tonal differences. Personally my colour sight is so poor I cannot see any difference but my wife who acts as a colour consultant, tells me that there are subtle differences. The track was then cleaned up and vacumed clear to enable the running of trains again. 

 

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10 hours ago, young37215 said:

One of the biggest weaknesses of the modern railway is the inflexibility to respond effectively to seasonal changes in demand. The WHL is a classic example, two 6 coach loco hauled sets for summer use would likely meet with an increase in passenger numbers and get a number of vehicles off of the roads but, it seems, there is no appetite for this sort of flexibiility. It will be interesting to see if one of the charter operators builds on the apparent success of the S&C trains that ran earlier this year. Like others I would dearly love to spend a day or two being loco hauled on the WHL once again. 

 

Although I moved forward a little yesterday, I am still struggling with the platform lights where it appears I am reaping the dividend for buying cheap Chinese LED's. The problem has been narrowed down to one of the lights or, more likely, the resistors. Until I get these working as I want it will not be sensible to glue the platform to the platform walls although I did cut the plasticard to rough shape in anticipation of sorting the lights. Once glued down I will file the edges of the platform to enable rolling stock to pass without fouling and paint a line of coping stones.

 

The airbrush got another outing and a coat of frame dirt was applied to the newly ballasted areas and oversprayed elsewhere in an effort to create some tonal differences. Personally my colour sight is so poor I cannot see any difference but my wife who acts as a colour consultant, tells me that there are subtle differences. The track was then cleaned up and vacumed clear to enable the running of trains again. 

 

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Hi,

 

I have been really enjoying following the (rapid!) construction of your layout. I travelled on the Jacobite many years ago and I think you are really capturing the atmosphere of the real thing.

 

I have a quick question if you don't mind... I really like you how you weather your track using an airbrush. I'd like to do the same but I am not sure what sort of paint to use. Thinning down Humbrol enamels would seem to be a very long-winded way of doing it and could produce variable results if the dilution is not always the same. I was therefore wondering if you could tell me what sort of paint you use in your airbrush please?

 

Thanks!

 

Ben

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17 hours ago, benjy14 said:

I really like you how you weather your track using an airbrush. I'd like to do the same but I am not sure what sort of paint to use. Thinning down Humbrol enamels would seem to be a very long-winded way of doing it and could produce variable results if the dilution is not always the same. I was therefore wondering if you could tell me what sort of paint you use in your airbrush please?

 

Hi Ben

 

Thank you for the kind words. Weathering track with an airbrush is very straightforward and, based upon my experience, a useful way to learn about an airbrush. Ordinarily I weather track before I ballast, with Mallaig I wanted a different feel to the area hence weathering after ballasting. I am still relatively inexperienced at using an airbrush, I only bought mine 3 years ago. I have weathered several sections on WHL4 using thinned Railmatch enamel paints. Mostly it is sleeper grime, occassionally frame dirt and weathered black. I thin the paint to about 60/40 paint to thinners and stir vigorously to mix it up. The 60/40 split is an imprecise measurement, all the books I have read tell you that the consistency of the paint after thinning is how you judge it ready for spraying. If the paint runs of the stirring tool easily then I find it is ready. 

 

There are plenty of tales on RMWeb from others who use different paints such as Humbrol, it is a case of personal choice as to which paint you use. The one thing in common is that to be effective with an airbrush you need to thin your paint. Your comment about thinning suggests you are not clear on this, I suggest that you make up some thinned paint and trial it on some old offcuts of track to see the results you get. Do'nt worry about tonal variations, you actually need these because the real railway is not all the same colour. Worst case if you do'nt like an outcome is to overspray the area with a different colour.

 

Give it a try, it is very straightforward. In the time it has taken me to type this I could have sprayed a panel or two of track.

 

Good luck

 

 

 

 

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After what seems like forever I managed to get the 6 platform lights installed and working at Mallaig. The lights are the best representation I could find of those at Mallaig in the 1980's and even then required minor tweaks and repainting. Today I aim to glue the remain parts of the platform and finish guaging which should see the platform complete. 

 

First light is glued in place

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All installed, the last 3 still need gluing hence they are a little wobbly

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Guaging of the platforms begins

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On 18/11/2020 at 00:08, 03060 said:

Rob, have you seen the Heljan news for the Mexican Bean class 104 to be released ? Which might be just at the edge of your timeframe.

 

Hi Ian

 

Sorry I missed your post until this morning. I was blissfully ignorant of Heljans planned class 104, I am more interested in their ETHEL and a replacement for my old Hornby model at present. The Mexican Bean will be an interesting, colourful addition but its not very high up my priority list because on WHL4 it would only shuttle between the fiddle yard and Crianlarich limiting its operational potential.  

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I think you could justify including the Mexican Bean in the consist of trains on other parts of your system. On the class 104 section of railcar.co.uk is stated "About once a week the set would be attached to the rear of a loco-hauled service to Glasgow for fuelling and servicing." Sounds like an interesting train.

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22 hours ago, David Bell said:

I think you could justify including the Mexican Bean in the consist of trains on other parts of your system. On the class 104 section of railcar.co.uk is stated "About once a week the set would be attached to the rear of a loco-hauled service to Glasgow for fuelling and servicing." Sounds like an interesting train.

Cheers

David

 

There is a clip of the Bean attached to the rear of an Oban to Glasgow train in Ultimate Scenic Route, The WHL by the Friends of the WHL. It's a rather aincient video made in the mid 1980's which could do with a digital upgrade, nevertheless the material is well worth a watch. 

 

Progress yesterday was less than I had hoped largely due to the amount of gluing I deemed necessary to secure the Mallaig platform. Allowing this to dry meant I had time on my hands which I put to use in casting my first Woodland Scenics rock. My mix of the first batch of WS hydrocal must have been poor because the castings were crumbly and badly formed. Subsequent castings worked well giving me a number of rocks to use as low relief along the backscene to the rear of Mallaig. I intend casting further rock using casting plaster which is considerably cheaper than the WS hydrocal. Any surplus casts will be used on the other scenic areas that I have yet to construct so I have lots of opportunity to fine tune my casting skills. 

 

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On 17/11/2020 at 08:19, young37215 said:

I created 4 storage tanks from pipe off cuts, 2 vertical at 120 x 68mm and 2 horizontal at 100 x 40. Placed in situ to get a feel, they look somewhere close to the reality. I will add plasticard to create the top and spray them light grey. With some pipework and ladders they should do the job.

 

I intend adding 1 further tank in the gap, this was slightly smaller requiring something in the region of 80 x 30. Still searching for a solution on this.

 

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Rob,

Just browsing this thread again and thought I'd make a suggestion. Why not use a ratio tank to fill the gap. I've used one on my version on extended pillars. If you're modelling 3 of the 4 tanks this might add some variety to the similar sized horizontal tanks. I think that you are more likely to notice that the smaller tank is missing than you would one of the larger ones. This is of course just my personal view having chewed the cud on this subject for many weeks.

Your progress and results are very impressive.

 

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4 minutes ago, mallaig1983 said:

Rob,

Just browsing this thread again and thought I'd make a suggestion. Why not use a ratio tank to fill the gap. I've used one on my version on extended pillars. If you're modelling 3 of the 4 tanks this might add some variety to the similar sized horizontal tanks. I think that you are more likely to notice that the smaller tank is missing than you would one of the larger ones. This is of course just my personal view having chewed the cud on this subject for many weeks.

Your progress and results are very impressive.

 

Andy

My version. Photo added so you can chew the suggestion over. 

Andy.

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11 hours ago, mallaig1983 said:

Rob,

Just browsing this thread again and thought I'd make a suggestion. Why not use a ratio tank to fill the gap. I've used one on my version on extended pillars. If you're modelling 3 of the 4 tanks this might add some variety to the similar sized horizontal tanks. I think that you are more likely to notice that the smaller tank is missing than you would one of the larger ones. This is of course just my personal view having chewed the cud on this subject for many weeks.

Your progress and results are very impressive.

 

Andy

 

Thanks Andy, the Ratio tank is a potential solution. As you say, I need to have 1 smaller tank, what I don’t know is the dimensions of it. Please can you measure yours and advise the length and diameter? 

 

Yesterday was a low key affair, a little bit of guaging and more rock casting. The casting plaster is 50 % heavier but only costs 20 % of the hydrocal. The plaster sets much quicker and at such a price differential, I will use this in future. 

 

Not quite watching paint dry but similar, freshly poured Hydrocal in moulds and my growing stock of finished moulds which should be ok to paint later today. 

 

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I spent more time modelling yesterday than I have for some time but have little tangible to show for it. I watched several of the Woodland Scenics Videos on YouTube in an effort to learn how to colour my expanding collection of rock moulds and then attempted to put this into practice. I also added 100mm to the fuel platform which will allow an extra tank. 

 

By the end of the day I had coloured most of the rock moulds. On checking this morning they have all dried and appear fine. Some may require further darkening but most seem ready for use. 

 

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16 hours ago, BoD said:

They look very effective.

Did you use the woodland scenic paints or mix your own?

 

I have been using a WS Earth Colour kit which contains 8 different WS colours. Having got a better feel for what colouring the rocks entails, I will buy additional supplies of cheaper acyrlics for the high use, darker colours like the black and grey to see how these work. That said, the level of paint dilution is such that I anticipate the 1 fl oz pots from the kit to last for some time even on my sizeable rock collection.

 

My holy grail for the last few days has been the Youtube video below which does a great job of showing how to colour rock. I have copied the techniques which are really straightforward and am slowly getting comfortable with producing the dark coloured rock that is seen in the western highlands. The best thing about the WS technique is that if I dont like the colour of a rock once the paint dries, it is very easy to add more paint to alter the colour.   

 

 

I have started adding the rocks as low relief scenery to the rear of the Mallaig area. What I have not worked out yet is how to effectively join the pieces of rock together so that they blend into one.

 

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