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A request this morning to help me determine the colour/livery of what appears to be a Salmon wagon in the picture below. I am looking at adding one of the Flangeway Salmon wagons to WHL4 but can not work out the livery. My wife tells me that it is definitely not olive green which leaves me stumped. Can anyone clarify? 

 

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I would have said that is a BDA in RF red rather than a salmon - it seems to have a low side and looks slightly too short for salmon. If I’m right then Bach do a suitable BDA.  I’m sure salmon will have ventured up WHL as they seemed to get most places...

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Morning Rob,

 

Avoiding the obvious reply of Salmon Pink (sorry) ....but would it be classed as faded 'Gulf Red' ? I used to have 2 Bachmann Prawn bolster wagons in this livery when I was collecting 00 gauge stock. Pictures available ont T'internet.

 

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Ian.

 

(PS - WJ Verden Anderson book now on order (£42 !)

 

 

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I agree that it is a BDA (or maybe BDV ?) rather than a Salmon and certainly not a Prawn (it was this photo many years ago that made me realise that I bought the wrong wagons.)

This is a photo of a Salmon that I took in the very late 80's at Crianlarich Upper yard when it was still used by the PW dept as  C/larich Lower yard was still around for timber. You will see that the Salmon is longer than a BDA and has handwheels on the outer frame ends.

 

 

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Here is a BSW (modified BDA/BDV for timber usage) at Crianlarich Lower for comparison and also an OTA which has faded Railfreight Red ends which I don't think is the same colour as the BDA in Rob's original photo ( I am a colour printer by trade ....but still colour can be effected by so many other factors.) My money is still on faded Gulf Red or even Bauxite but I don't really know when this was used....and I don't think that it was for very long, I've seen odd BR 20t brake vans carrying it in part painted areas and OBAs (I think ?)

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Thanks to everyone for their input. It looks like I was incorrect and probably a tad wishful in thinking the wagon was a Salmon as the picture is something that I fancy modelling notwithstanding the lack of a model of a 45T Cowans Sheldon crane!. Having looked again I agree with those voting BDA, it is clearly not a Salmon.

 

Ian's picture of a Salmon at Crianlarich works for me and I shall be 'investing' in one of the Flangeway Salmon's in the near future albeit in the earlier olive green which is more likely to have been seen in my early 1980's time window. 

 

 

6 hours ago, 03060 said:

(PS - WJ Verden Anderson book now on order (£42 !)

 

Ouch, rrp was £30 back when it was published in 2007. Still it is an excellent book full of high quality pictures. 

 

 

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On reflection (whilst just out with the dogs) I have seen one, possibly two, more photos of this particular train on Filckr(?) One of it going away from the photographer at County March and another of it coming through Crianlarich and I think that in both views it looks like Bauxite livery (this is what stuck in my mind) They were quite possibly on Irishswissernies site, I think that I was searching for crane pictures at the time, I'm afraid that I haven't got time to search again now as the night shift beckons.

 

One of the manufacturers is planning to produce a very similar looking crane to this in 00 as I've seen the advert fairly recently, so it may be possible to recreate at some point.

 

(Regarding the book, Rob, there were two at £42, one at £83 .....and one at £118 !! So I'm 'almost' quite happy with the 25% increase ! :cry:)

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I’m sure I’ve also seen pictures of that train elsewhere and as mentioned above, thought it was Ernies site.

 

Whilst on there looking for something else I thought I would have a quick look. I couldn’t find that photo, but interestingly there are a couple of pictures of (I presume) BDA’s loaded with timber at Glen Douglas and they are either Bauxite, Rust or a combination of both! Either way a very similar colour to the wagon in question.

 

By the way, loving this thread and the concept of several stations on the route. I’ve played around with the West Highland concept couple of times and decided I would get bored with one station and a couple of sidings - however this idea might have some milage for a future loft layout. Now I just need to keep focussed and build the thing I’ve started rather that changing horses for the 25th time!!

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I am currently working on the scenic area to the south of Garelochead. I have managed to get down plaster cloth to create the embankment falling away from the track. If all is dry and looks right I hope to fininsh the 'structural' work today and maybe start on the scenery. 37049 had charge of 7Y33, 0952 Mossend to Mallaig Junction Yard seen passing through Garelochead. It is the area the right of the first picture that is proving challenging to develop.

 

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Plasser 12t GPC Crane is 00 model that I refferred to earlier, being developed by Hattons, looks very similar to the Cowans Sheldon crane in the photo.

 

I'll attach a link later ....when I work out how to !  :unsure_mini:

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=394

 

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On 24/01/2021 at 16:14, young37215 said:

 

 

On 24/01/2021 at 09:20, 03060 said:

(PS - WJ Verden Anderson book now on order (£42 !)

 

Ouch, rrp was £30 back when it was published in 2007. Still it is an excellent book full of high quality pictures. 


Speaking of which, have you seen the prices ‘Scottish Class 37s’ are going for.  Especially Vols 1 and 2.  Silly.

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13 hours ago, BoD said:


Speaking of which, have you seen the prices ‘Scottish Class 37s’ are going for.  Especially Vols 1 and 2.  Silly.


it’s clear that some books command high prices, simple economic supply and demand I guess. I am glad that I bought most of mine when they were first published and in plentiful supply. 
 

I made a little progress yesterday with Garelochead but still have a fair bit left to do. Still with the lockdown it’s not as if there’s a lot else to do so it will be back to this after dog walking duties are performed.

 

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I managed to dress the embankment with Woodland Scenics coarse grass materials yesterday. I ended up with an overall darker colour than elsewhere on the layout in an effort to replicate the damp environment typically found beneath trees and bushes. I will add further greenery by way of bushes but the main structural trees are all in place. The area to the west of Station Road was extended with basket liner and the Sculptamolded road was painted. Overall I am pleased with the effect but disappointed to not complete the scenery to the east of the track. For some reason my polystyrene cutter was very weak, cutting took what seemed like an age and it was only late in the day that I realised I had used the wrong power supply cable which had a lower output. With the correct supply in place I made light work of the remaining polystyrene and glued it all in place. Completing this will be todays activity.

 

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I did'nt get as far as I had hoped with the eastern side at Garelochead because I could not get comfortable with the shape and contour of the area. What I want to achieve is the look of the line being cut into a ledge on the side of the mountain. To do this I need to get the angle of the embankment either side of the line aligned which I found challenging. Hopefully with a nights sleep and a fresh look this morning I can complete the 'groundworks' using some more Sculptamould. Painting and dressing with material is a much easier job once the base is sorted.

 

37033 is seen in charge of the 1605 Fort William to Mallaig mixed train which included the BDA's carrying steel for Mallaig. One of the BDA's is in Railfreight Red and will do for the single wagon and mobile crane engineers train I want to replicate. Fortunately I had not bought one of the Salmon's before the incorrect length error with the Flangeway offering was identified. Whatever the reasons for the errors, it's a great shame to see the problem and I hope that it does not stop other smaller players bringing models to market.

 

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2 hours ago, young37215 said:

What I want to achieve is the look of the line being cut into a ledge on the side of the mountain. To do this I need to get the angle of the embankment either side of the line aligned which I found challenging.

Rob,

 

Would it help to literally 'bury' your track under the side of the hill, creating both sides of the scenery together, and then 'cut-out' the section where the track goes? Obviously, well protect the existing track with tissue / crunched up newspaper / cotton wool / etc beforehand ... It should look realistic that way, as the real railway was created like that.

 

Just a thought.

 

Ian

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20 hours ago, ISW said:

Rob,

 

Would it help to literally 'bury' your track under the side of the hill, creating both sides of the scenery together, and then 'cut-out' the section where the track goes? Obviously, well protect the existing track with tissue / crunched up newspaper / cotton wool / etc beforehand ... It should look realistic that way, as the real railway was created like that.

 

Just a thought.

 

Ian


If I was starting out again then I would do something like you suggest. As it is the eastern side is a much smaller area and it should be straightforward to align using a ruler or similar straight edged tool. Straightforward or not, I am still not happy with the area and will make further efforts to get it to feel right before dressing with scenic materials. 
 

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On the 'ungrassed' side might a small vertical rockface suggest a ledge cut into it and also allow you to raise that slope so it looks continued from the lower slope?

Possibly with a much smaller rockface on the other side.

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On 25/01/2021 at 15:13, 03060 said:

Plasser 12t GPC Crane is 00 model that I refferred to earlier, being developed by Hattons, looks very similar to the Cowans Sheldon crane in the photo.

 

I'll attach a link later ....when I work out how to !  :unsure_mini:

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=394

 

:yahoo_mini:

Unfortunately they aren't going ahead with the production of these

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