RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 2, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2017 I need a motor bogie capable of handling 3 coaches. What would be the best solution? High Level motorbogie Black Beetle Replca chassis Want good value rather than cheap. Is a BB or HL up to this? Also where can I get a BB from? Thanks Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Of course the replica is a complete chassis, with the 64ft ones not available atm iirc, only the 57ft ones. The high level will pull more probably than the black beetle iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petri Sallinen Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 North West Short is making Stanton Drive named motor bogies with 8'6" WB (gauge 16,5 mm, wheel profile code 110 or code 88). http://shop.osorail.com/product.sc?productId=1881&categoryId=110 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 3, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2017 I have a Black Beetle in a 128 and that is OK, but may test with 3 trailers and see if enough grunt, tempted by the High Level one. It will be fitted to a vehicle with a guards compartment so some intrusion OK, prefer that to low level intrusion in the passenger section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brigo Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 North West Short is making Stanton Drive named motor bogies with 8'6" WB (gauge 16,5 mm, wheel profile code 110 or code 88). http://shop.osorail.com/product.sc?productId=1881&categoryId=110 Would that be 8' 6" in HO 1/87 scale rather than OO 4mm/foot ? Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 I'm guessing that Ye Olde Hornby Ringfield is not on the approved list? It would however quite happily handle three coaches, and the Brian Kirby thread on 120's & 126's shows how it can be improved. John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Do you mean 3 coaches in addition to the thing with the drive bogie in, or 3 coaches inclusive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted February 3, 2017 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 3, 2017 Do you mean 3 coaches in addition to the thing with the drive bogie in, or 3 coaches inclusive? Just the three Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 An 80g drive bogie should be fine for three 160g pinpoint coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petri Sallinen Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Would that be 8' 6" in HO 1/87 scale rather than OO 4mm/foot ? Brian Yes, you are right — the scale in Stanton drives is 1:87 so the WB of 8'6" Stanton Drive bogie is not right in 1:76 scale. In 1:76 scale you need the bogie with 33,9 mm WB. NWSL has the bogie with almost right WB — the 9'6" Stanton Drive with 33,3 mm WB. (I hope that I have made my calculations right with inches and millimeters Edited February 3, 2017 by Petri Sallinen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Devil Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Bullant in line with a big can motor from Hollywood Foundry. Loads of wheel, gearing and motor options, whilst not the cheapest they are certainly quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 ...Want good value rather than cheap... I think you would have to search very hard for better value than picking up a 14mm wheeled 34mm w/b bogie BoBo with centre motor drive by Bachmann or Heljan, at whatever is the best price available. You get two drive bogies and transmission lines, and a motor with two drive couplers, so the purchase of an additional motor furnishes two single bogie drives. (And there's a whole heap of spares from the model to use, or sell on to further reduce the expense.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted February 4, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2017 I need a motor bogie capable of handling 3 coaches. What would be the best solution? High Level motorbogie Black Beetle Replca chassis Want good value rather than cheap. Is a BB or HL up to this? Also where can I get a BB from? Thanks Martin Hi Martin What are you intending to power? What wheel diameter? Depending on the wheel diameter, you have Hornby ringfield, Hornby Railroad, Lima, Heljan, Bachmann DMU, Bachmann loco, Teshondo 35WB14D, Black Beetle, Triang (old Hymek), Bullant and High Level Low Rider. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I need a motor bogie capable of handling 3 coaches. What would be the best solution? High Level motorbogie Black Beetle Replca chassis Want good value rather than cheap. Is a BB or HL up to this? Also where can I get a BB from? Thanks Martin Branchlines sells Black Beetles and many other motors and gearboxes etc. Unfortunately it has no web site but advertises in the model magazines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted February 5, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2017 Branchlines sells Black Beetles and many other motors and gearboxes etc. Unfortunately it has no web site but advertises in the model magazines. You can find the details of them from the manufacturers website. http://steameramodels.com/bbeetle.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.clag.org.uk/wheelbase.html Find something with the correct wheelbase, then find on at a good price. I have found the defective Heljan claytons useful as the wheels can be changed and fixing the drive problems gives a useful low height drive with the added bonus of being able to use half the cast chassis to add weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D6975 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I think you would have to search very hard for better value than picking up a 14mm wheeled 34mm w/b bogie BoBo with centre motor drive by Bachmann or Heljan, at whatever is the best price available. You get two drive bogies and transmission lines, and a motor with two drive couplers, so the purchase of an additional motor furnishes two single bogie drives. (And there's a whole heap of spares from the model to use, or sell on to further reduce the expense.) Great minds think alike. I bought 2 Bachmann 25s back when they were available at about 40 quid each. I also bought a couple of big mashima cans at the same time, so I've got the power for 2x 3 car 126s and 2x 3 car 80 class DMUs that I'm going to get around to building/converting. (eventually) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 You can use the Hornby 153 motor bogie. The real things wheel base is about 1/2" bigger, and the wheel size is within less than 0.5mm so you can use the wheels as well. The Hornby dmu bogie frame clips onto it perfectly. It also has no traction tyres, making all wheel pick up easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenser Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) An update on this , as I currently have the problems of repowering a detailed 155 (seized motor bogie) and finding a drive unit for a prospective "assemble from bits" NBL Type 2 diesel-electric The Hornby 153 motor bogie is out of stock at Peter's Spares , though they still have some 101/121 motor bogies . These have 12mm wheels - the 155 has 11mm wheels, and a cl 21 14mm... Black Beetles are no more. I am trying to avoid robbing the Beetle off the stalled Bratchill 150 as I can't get another one Bullants are in the same situation - it is not clear if Hollywood Foundry can supply direct , there may be residual stock in the UK but it doesn't look good The going rate for a s/h Bachmann rat seems to be £60-90 Peter's Spares no longer have Hornby Ringfield motor bogies. Nor do they have the Railroad 6 wheel drives available (I could use one or two for powering a modest collection of Class 31 bodies). Nor do they have any Lima motor bogies . (And the larger CD-tray replacement motors for repowering Lima motor bogies seem to be unavailable) What they do have is a moderate stock of Javelin motor bogies at a moderate price - 8'6" wb , 10.5mm wheels . So I've bought one , as I've not heard any serious complaints about the running of the Hornby Javelins and they are about half the price of a Beetle when you could still get them. They are also likely to have much more grunt As far as the NBL Type 2 is concerned, I think the only practical option is likely to be to acquire an old Hornby loco of some kind cheap, and rob out the X942 motor bogie . A quick look on ebay and elsewhere suggests that the cheapest option might be a pair of the old Hornby HST powercars - as they were available for about 35 years in trainsets they seem to be a drug in the market. Ideally I'd be looking for a post-2000 5 pole version as it's much easier to convert to DCC and is nominally 8 wheel pickup. About £20-30 might be realistic for a pair of powercars , from what I can see Edited November 21, 2018 by Ravenser Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIK Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Hi, I did a haulage test (on the flat) on a Black Beetle in a 2-HAP powered coach, so for those who have access to one: It may have been spinning its wheels when more coaches were added but I was wearing headphones at the time. Regards Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted July 21, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 21, 2020 In the end I went with a High Level Lorider It can move all three but I still have some pickup tweaking to do. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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