Jump to content
 

Darstaed Mk1 coaches for 7mm.


RandyWales
 Share

Recommended Posts

Afternoon all,

Good news! The Mk1 Set As in Maroon livery are now in stock.

We will also have a few BSK, CK and SK coaches available separately.

For anyone with a pre-order, Paddy will be on the phone this afternoon/tomorrow morning to put everything through.

Images and details available here: https://www.ellisclarktrains.co.uk/...uge-mk1-coaches-set-a-4-coaches-maroon-livery

What do we think?

Cheers,
Ellis.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your comments.

 

1. Re coach height. Can Class 27 please measure exactly hoe much our coach is higher than he diesel loco in the picture ? As the buffers line up it would look like our body does not have the correct dimensions but all body dimensions have been taken from the Parkin book. So this is a mystery.

If he coach height offends then I could simply make a new set of springs for the C/W bogies so the whole caach will come down accordingly but then he buffers will be lower too.

Are we sure that Heljan got it right ?

Cheers,

Andries 

 

 

Hello Andries,

 

this may have been posted before and I have missed it, but here goes.

 

All of these heights are from the rail head (top of the rail).

 

12'41/2" to the top of the roof 86.63mm in 7mm scale,

 

4'01/4" to the bottom of the body 28.15mm in 7mm scale,

 

3'51/2" to the C/L of the buffers 24.2mm in 7mm scale,

 

8'41/4" from the bottom of the body to top of the roof 58.48mm in 7mm scale. This is worked out thus 86.63 - 28.15 = 58.48mm.

 

All the sizes are from the Parkin book on Mk1s.

 

It has been posted before that your coaches are between 91 & 90mm high that works out at 4.37mm (71/2") Max. or 3.37mm (53/4") Min. too high.

 

Also the CW bogies look too square around the edges of the castings when you look at this photo. Also the transom beams go to the ends of the coach.

post-8920-0-01415700-1522939580_thumb.jpg

 

HTH

 

OzzyO.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...

Dear Phil, We will do the decals with the next batch.

 

The next lot is winging their way to the UK and included are teh Gangway end shiels, one pair for each BSK which means 2 pairs for each Set A.

 

Please contact Ellis Clark or Bob Whyat of Scalelink,

 

Cheers,

Andries

Link to post
Share on other sites

Dear Phil, We will do the decals with the next batch.

 

The next lot is winging their way to the UK and included are teh Gangway end shiels, one pair for each BSK which means 2 pairs for each Set A.

 

Please contact Ellis Clark or Bob Whyat of Scalelink,

 

Cheers,

Andries

Thanks Andries

Your positive attitude is very encouraging. I’m planning on acquiring around another dozen or so Mk1 vehicles (mainly SK/CK) along with a BG or two. I would have thought about holding back to see what Dapol eventually produce had you been evasive or disinterested in resolving these issues, but I’ll happily commit to Darstaed going forward!

 

Regards

Phil

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
  • RMweb Gold

Having read through this thread in its entirety, it's very encouraging that a manufacturer takes feedback from customers very seriously, and I take my hat off to Andries for not only responding, but making sure that where possible, any errors can be corrected.  

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Gold

A question for the Mk1 experts.

 

Much has been made of the better effort that Darstaed have made on the shape of the carriage sides than Heljan did (well, Heljan did not really make an effort with those flat sides). Some seem to think that the forthcoming Dapol coaches are better again.

 

But do all Mk1s have the same profile? I was, briefly, at Williton on the West Somerset last Monday. The first coach of the 7-coach train seemed to have a much flatter profile to its sides than the rest of the rake.

Link to post
Share on other sites

A question for the Mk1 experts.

 

Much has been made of the better effort that Darstaed have made on the shape of the carriage sides than Heljan did (well, Heljan did not really make an effort with those flat sides). Some seem to think that the forthcoming Dapol coaches are better again.

 

But do all Mk1s have the same profile? I was, briefly, at Williton on the West Somerset last Monday. The first coach of the 7-coach train seemed to have a much flatter profile to its sides than the rest of the rake.

I have sometimes wondered this when looking at certain photographs. Whilst they should no doubt be the same I just if there are some small differences out there.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Gold

do all Mk1s have the same profile? I was, briefly, at Williton on the West Somerset last Monday. The first coach of the 7-coach train seemed to have a much flatter profile to its sides than the rest of the rake.

The standard Mk1 body profile is a continuous curve, but Doncaster works built 3083, a prototype open first, featuring lots of windows and flat sides, with a distinct tumblehome at the bottom. It was preserved and based on the SVR for many years, but whether it's now based at (or just visiting), the WSR, I couldn't say.

 

I found this rather nice picture of it at Kidderminster, SVR....

 

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4695/39727840351_2688c4671a_b.jpg&imgrefurl=https://hiveminer.com/Tags/firstopen%2Cmk1&h=686&w=1024&tbnid=O_J0L46_fo6-7M&tbnh=184&tbnw=274&usg=__IPtEK8a5D2g1XU2iBfBNw96AMQ0=&docid=T0-lpLB8K7VwIM

 

The unusual body profile is plain to see, especially when compared with the standard Mk1 it's coupled to.

 

 

Regards

 

Dan

Edited by Dan Randall
  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi all

I started this topic when Darstaed anounced the range, and quite some time has since passed.... the range are no longer 'on the horizon'. To prevent new readers being confused when they see the topic, I have changed the header to simply read....Darstaed Mk1 coaches for 7mm.

regards

Randall

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Gold

The standard Mk1 body profile is a continuous curve, but Doncaster works built 3083, a prototype open first, featuring lots of windows and flat sides, with a distinct tumblehome at the bottom. It was preserved and based on the SVR for many years, but whether it's now based at (or just visiting), the WSR, I couldn't say.

 

I found this rather nice picture of it at Kidderminster, SVR....

 

https://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4695/39727840351_2688c4671a_b.jpg&imgrefurl=https://hiveminer.com/Tags/firstopen%2Cmk1&h=686&w=1024&tbnid=O_J0L46_fo6-7M&tbnh=184&tbnw=274&usg=__IPtEK8a5D2g1XU2iBfBNw96AMQ0=&docid=T0-lpLB8K7VwIM

 

The unusual body profile is plain to see, especially when compared with the standard Mk1 it's coupled to.

 

 

Regards

 

Dan

 

That FO is probably my favourite Mk1 coach. I had not noticed that it has a different profile.

 

Whatever was heading up that rake was not an FO (and certainly not a GUV). Being honest, the most disappointing aspect of the otherwise excellent WSR is the rather shabby Mk1s. They need a thorough overhaul.

Edited by Joseph_Pestell
Link to post
Share on other sites

That FO is probably my favourite Mk1 coach. I had not noticed that it has a different profile.

 

Whatever was heading up that rake was not an FO (and certainly not a GUV). Being honest, the most disappointing aspect of the otherwise excellent WSR is the rather shabby Mk1s. They need a thorough overhaul.

A couple of photos of its early days at the SVR as it came out of traffic c45 years ago :O

 

http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/svr/e3131aefa

http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/svr/e399f8444

 

Paul

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...

Does anyone know if the gangway covers and screw couplings have arrived yet?

I have tried to contact Ellis Clark twice by e-mail, but no reply, possibly a problem with their contact forms

All information gratefully received

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Gold

A couple of photos of its early days at the SVR as it came out of traffic c45 years ago :O

 

http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/svr/e3131aefa

http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/svr/e399f8444

 

Paul

 

I'm thinking, with some regret, that it is probably about then that I saw it at the SVR.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • 3 months later...

Gentlemen,

 

Re coach height : I also measured two of the coaches under production, a B/G and a Maroon one. The B/G is 0.8 mm higher than the Maroon coach not only at the roof top but also at the buffers.

What I will do is make new springs for the C/W bogie that are 0.8 mm shorter so the B/G coaches are the same height as all the other coaches that have BR MK1 bogies.

Would it be possible for some one to take some measurements of the Heljan diesel locos and measure he height of the roof and height of the centre of the buffers taken from the top of the rail ? 

 

Cheers,

Andries

Hi Andries

It’s been quite some time since any comments have been posted on here ref the Mk1 coaches, in particular with regard to height above rail.

I’ve been regularly running my rake of 7 vehicles at a club layout and am completely delighted with their running qualities. They have been much admired by many folk, and really do reflect well on Darstaed.

 

However they ARE a little on the high side as has been been commented by others. I have 12 locos from JLTRT, Dapol and Heljan, and all are the same (correct) height. The coaches are higher than all the locos, so the height issue is not due to Heljan being too low in my view. You have previously mentioned that you’re looking at offering shorter springs on a complimentary basis to any folk who want to lower their vehicles, so I’m just enquiring as to progress with this modification? Lowering the vehicles will really finish off the rake nicely.

 

Look forward to hearing back.

 

Kind regards

Phil

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...