Simond Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 And that detail list... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted November 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Simond said: And that detail list... Depressing at first, but rewarding as you cross them off! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) Did the wiring but didn’t get around to testing it, as I need to check the programming track before powering it up for the first time. the aforementioned list has been pruned a bit... Smokebox door, Cab doorway vertical handrails Handrails on bunker & tank Horizontal boiler handrails, Safety valves, Drill out & fit chimney Fit dome Fit radiused front to upper corners of firebox Backhead & cab details, crew, Sliding vent on cab roof Whistles Reverser & injectors damper rods steam pipes brake linkages lubricators & oil pipes, screws to hold bunker & tanks to engines paint windows & window frames after paint. decoder, KA, speaker & firebox lights “module” sandboxes, sandpipes guard irons brake shoes, hangers and cross beams cylinder covers slidebars, crossheads and connecting rods valve Progress! atb Simon Edited November 23, 2020 by Simond 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted November 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 23, 2020 Very impressive, Simon. The video does give a sense of the size and complexity of the thing, and how much work it has involved. Still a bit of fun left in the to do list I see. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Thanks Mikkel, Indeed, depending on your point of view, you either do, or don’t, get your money’s worth with this kit. I’m sure that if I’d got my finger out, and knuckled down, I could have finished it years ago, but where’s the pleasure in that? atb Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Couple of others for the list..... Tank lifting eyes Engine steps Narrow Planet did me some correct work plates, incidentally! Looking good! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilMortimer Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Simond said: I’m sure that if I’d got my finger out, and knuckled down, I could have finished it years ago, but where’s the pleasure in that? Amen to that! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted November 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Simond said: Indeed, depending on your point of view, you either do, or don’t, get your money’s worth with this kit. Interesting point of view: some kits are designed for the building, some for the final result, but having parts etched and cast accurately should be sine qua non for both. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, Regularity said: some kits are designed for the building And others as an aid to scratch building... no names mentioned !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Well, it goes! it’s running quite nicely, but I’ll have to have a look at the sound, with which I’m a little disappointed. It seems really quite quiet compared to other locos, but there are some harsh clicks and bangs which seems odd. The whistle is ok, I think. Certainly not a Stanier hooter! There is no brake squeal, which will have to be addressed! The sound is pretty much synch’ed, and it does appear that the sounds of the two engines change phase relative to one another, indeed, the coupling rods seem to do so too. JLTRT! sorry about the video, better to come! Insufficient hands, or should have driven it with my toes! I am going to have to wait for the end of lockdown to see what it’ll pull, but with ballraced 50:1 gearboxes, I imagine it’ll shift a decent train. Might just see what I can fit on PD! atb Simon 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Lovely to see it move Simon! At the very least it must be reassuring! I used a Loksound on mine, with a Pannier file, with the double-heading option enabled. I didn't worry too much about it as not too many people will remember these particular locos in steam! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 There’s a hint of Churchward “square blocks of exhaust” in there 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgman Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Simond said: There’s a hint of Churchward “square blocks of exhaust” in there Nowt wrong with that ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 I’m looking forward to seeing what it can actually do... atb Simon 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Very very nice!! (When this is all over, we should have a gathering....) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruston Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 From the short video clip that sounds pretty good. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 Thanks all. Yes, not awful, but needs some further improvement! more soon! Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 If I spent less time making lists, I’d make more progress, but I did have a look through the bits and pieces left in the box, and the heap is getting smaller... Garratt Bridge Upper ========== Turned brass mudholes, - I don’t like the ones I’ve made so will make new, smaller ones. Smokebox door dart - no provision in the kit, I don’t have one in my bits box, will make one Cab === Cab doorway vertical handrails - can’t fit these until the cab and footplate permanently joined, but can drill the holes in the footplate. Backhead & cab details, Regulator handle - replace WM casting with nickel Fire door - replace WM casting with open doors so light shines thru’ Gauges & handwheels - some castings from kit, some brass tha5 I bought at a show (remember them?) Brake handle - very large & obvious and not in kit. Make one Reverser - need a photo, but it should be small and on the right. Damper handles - kit bits Sliding vent on cab roof - modify kit part to improve Sliding shutters inside cab - none provided, needs runners fitting, shutters after paint Bridge Lower ========== Reverser & linkages - kit bits plus brass angle Stiffeners for footplate edge - kit bits injectors - kit bits damper rods - kit bits steam pipes - kit bits brake linkages - kit bits Engines ====== lubricators & oil pipes - castings acquired Handrails on bunker & tank - kit castings are WM, won’t last 5 minutes, turn from brass Buffer plank steps - make Lifting lugs on tank tops - make to replace WM screws to hold bunker & tanks to engines - need to think this one out sandboxes, sandpipes - kit castings brake shoes, hangers and cross beams - kit & scratchbuild, with Slaters shoes. cylinder covers - kit & turned parts slidebars, crossheads and connecting rods - kit & milled parts valve gear - kit & scratch Electrics ======= Fire hole & bunker glow. Sort out sounds Paint & finish ========== Cab doorway vertical handrails Maker’s plates & name plates - order from Narrow Planet - thanks to Giles for the heads-up Crew - Modelu Windows & window frames - kit. it’s a nice day today, so we’re going out for some exercise & I have to nip in to work, but th3 aim of the game is to sort out the mudholes and smokebox dart so one area is finished. I’m going to try to do the bridge lower group this weekend too. atb Simon 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 Today’s missions accomplished: the mudholes were easy, I made new ones, reduced the diameter to 6mm and the height to 2mm. They look much more like the photos now. The castings of this kit are generally really good, crisp, and free from much flash, but these parts seemed distinctly undernourished, problem solved! the smokebox dart handles are a trivial job, drill two holes through a bit of 1.6mm brass, angle doesn’t matter, space between set by eye, turn down a spigot to go in the door, crisp up the corner at the front, solder in two bits of wire and cut back to make the handles. Stone off any sharp corners and install. I made a b——x of the first one. It’s certainly quicker making a second one. I sincerely hope never to have to make a third... Let’s see what tomorrow brings! atb Simon 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 some photos of the vivian garratt on the wales online archive https://museum.wales/collections/online/?field0=with_images&value0=1&field1=string&value1=locomotive&field2=string&value2=vivian 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 28, 2020 Author Share Posted November 28, 2020 (edited) Douglas, thank you very much! These are outstanding images that I’d not seen before. I’ll have to go looking down that rabbit hole. I had in mind to paint my loco as somewhat rusted, not decrepit, but hard worked and little loved, but those photos suggest that an immaculate appearance might be desirable. You’ll be getting yourself a well-deserved reputation for finding gems! thanks again Simon Edited November 29, 2020 by Simond 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhole Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 15 hours ago, sir douglas said: some photos of the vivian garratt on the wales online archive https://museum.wales/collections/online/?field0=with_images&value0=1&field1=string&value1=locomotive&field2=string&value2=vivian Can I offer my thanks as well. The quality is superb. I have a second unbuilt Garrett. These shots will be very useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Simon, don't shoot the messenger, but I've just noticed you've got your cab beading fitted the wrong way round - the handrails are in-board of the cab sides, not out board. I made the same mistake, due to incorrect kit information if I recall, and had to un-solder them and refit them on the opposite sides...... So sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveNCB7754 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 15 hours ago, Simond said: ... I had in mind to paint my loco as somewhat rusted, not decrepit, but hard worked and little loved, but those photos suggest that an immaculate appearance might be desirable. You are right, they are fantastic images, but I would suggest that these are 'promotional' images (possibly all taken on the same day), showing the loco 'as delivered' in fully-lined out livery. Vivian & Sons Swansea, was a Copper smelters (or similar), so I can't imagine it would have stayed that way for long, in such a working environment. Indeed, later photos of, say, 'N0.12' at GKN Cardiff Steelworks, show a much grimier engine, although the lining can still be made out. Images of both the Baddersley and the Sneyd Collieries locos too, all seem to show them in less than pristine condition, once in 'proper' service. Have also found an image of V&S No.10, in photographic grey livery, so I imagine these (then) new types of industrial locos were being heavily promoted by Beyer Peacock at the time, hence the 'photo-op' images at one of the first customer's premises. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simond Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, Giles said: Simon, don't shoot the messenger, but I've just noticed you've got your cab beading fitted the wrong way round - the handrails are in-board of the cab sides, not out board. I made the same mistake, due to incorrect kit information if I recall, and had to un-solder them and refit them on the opposite sides...... So sorry! Giles, the messenger is safe, not so sure about the kit designer! Thanks for the heads-up. Douglas’ brilliant photo answers another question. The curious valve and pipe on the rhs below the dome is almost certainly a displacement lubricator for the steam reverser. I guess the logic is that if you turn it off in the cab, and then open the lubricator, someone else could turn it on with predictably unpleasant results. If you turn it off locally, drain it, top up the oil and turn it back on, it’s one man one job. Early H & S? I shall now fit it... cheers Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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