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Correct.  Hard to know if this an empty motorail or a car industry working in 1971.   Possibly the latter.  At least it shows the LMS ones worked motorail at some point.  My next challenge is to establish how late in the 70s these could be used on motorail.  I have already backdated my train to 1974. Tricky getting all the cars and number plates appropriate.

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On 17/06/2020 at 07:34, acg5324 said:

Is this the kind of thing you are looking for? This looks to be 1970s though.

https://www.britishmotormuseums.com/news.php?news_id=81

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Those are Series 3 Land Rovers so almost certainly 1970s, the first Series 3s came out in 1972 and were produced until 1983. The mirror arrangement suggests these are earlier rather than later model Series 3s though.

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14 hours ago, 37114 said:

Those are Series 3 Land Rovers so almost certainly 1970s, the first Series 3s came out in 1972 and were produced until 1983. The mirror arrangement suggests these are earlier rather than later model Series 3s though.

 

I'd hazard a guess at 1974 due to the Sulzer being TOPS numbered.

 

Mike.

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On 11/04/2021 at 14:09, Johnfromoz said:

Correct.  Hard to know if this an empty motorail or a car industry working in 1971.   Possibly the latter.  At least it shows the LMS ones worked motorail at some point.  My next challenge is to establish how late in the 70s these could be used on motorail.  I have already backdated my train to 1974. Tricky getting all the cars and number plates appropriate.

Hi. There’s a rich vein of motoring specialists on here in the ‘road vehicles’  thread that will give you definitive answers. Any registration up to N suffix is appropriate for 1974. 

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10 hours ago, BernardTPM said:

N started August 1974, so may not be appropriate if you're date is earlier in 1974. The Ford Capri II came out late February 1974, so some were M reg. The VW Golf didn't come out here until October 1974, so the earliest ones would be N reg.

The Oxford Golf is the later one so unsuitable for the time period.in fact it’s a GTi thinking about it. 

 

Plenty if people on here including yourself (!) capable of backdating it but probably not worth it if it’s going to just be a load. 

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Actually this thread reminds me of the number of fantastic layouts “spoilt” by incorrect road vehicles. 
 

I have seen a few scrap yards where the cars on the scrap would have been brand new when the layout was set for example!  
 

One sin I’m guilty of is overpopulating so I can get all my favourite cars in (!) but I’m justifying it by having a training day at the depot so there are loads of day visitors there and a full car park!

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12 minutes ago, ianmacc said:

Actually this thread reminds me of the number of fantastic layouts “spoilt” by incorrect road vehicles. 
 

I have seen a few scrap yards where the cars on the scrap would have been brand new when the layout was set for example!  
 

One sin I’m guilty of is overpopulating so I can get all my favourite cars in (!) but I’m justifying it by having a training day at the depot so there are loads of day visitors there and a full car park!

I am guilty of hiding my Volvo C30 on my S&D layout.

 

At least these days they are likely to be the correct scale. I remember fine layouts in the past that were ruined by having vehicles hopelessly out of scale.

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8 minutes ago, JZ said:

I am guilty of hiding my Volvo C30 on my S&D layout.

 

At least these days they are likely to be the correct scale. I remember fine layouts in the past that were ruined by having vehicles hopelessly out of scale.

Yes. I was a modeller in the 80s and 90s doing the then-contemporary scene. Nothing in 1/76 was available other than the terrible Hornby Ford Sierra and the Lima Ford Capri and Fiat 131. Other than that it was old Minix etc or (the route I went down) Wiking Herpa Rietze etc 1/87 cars. Fantastic detail but too small by quite a margin. The eye accepted it because they were all the same scale in relation to each other but you couldn’t mix with EFE or the few other 1/76 options. 
 

See the comparative photo below. 
 

people don’t realise how lucky we are with the current range! 

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Just now, ianmacc said:

Yes. I was a modeller in the 80s and 90s doing the then-contemporary scene. Nothing in 1/76 was available other than the terrible Hornby Ford Sierra and the Lima Ford Capri and Fiat 131. Other than that it was old Minix etc or (the route I went down) Wiking Herpa Rietze etc 1/87 cars. Fantastic detail but too small by quite a margin. The eye accepted it because they were all the same scale in relation to each other but you couldn’t mix with EFE or the few other 1/76 options. 
 

See the comparative photo below. 
 

people don’t realise how lucky we are with the current range! 

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The last pink one is a Vauxhall Calibra by rietze and it is smaller even that the Astra in 1/76!

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1 hour ago, ianmacc said:

Actually this thread reminds me of the number of fantastic layouts “spoilt” by incorrect road vehicles. 
 

I have seen a few scrap yards where the cars on the scrap would have been brand new when the layout was set for example!  
 

One sin I’m guilty of is overpopulating so I can get all my favourite cars in (!) but I’m justifying it by having a training day at the depot so there are loads of day visitors there and a full car park!

I am very careful with my scrapyard about age of vehicles in it although the Morris Minor example below works both ways as early variants of car still in production can still be in a scrapyard.  A case in point was my last layout set in 1977 had a mini in the scrapyard one visitor commented it was too new and was then promptly shown a photo from 1977 with mini's in the scrapyard.  Also many cars at the time were corrosion prone so cars as young as 10 years old could be scrapped. 

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3 minutes ago, BernardTPM said:

Yes, rust was always a very common problem. This M reg. (Aug.'73- July'74) Marina would have been less than six years old when I photographed it in April 1979.

 

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Rust held together by pieces of paint, good ol' BL!

 

Mike.

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1 hour ago, BernardTPM said:

Yes, rust was always a very common problem. This M reg. (Aug.'73- July'74) Marina would have been less than six years old when I photographed it in April 1979.

 

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Getting 6 months road tax on that was optimistic.

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3 hours ago, BernardTPM said:

Yes, rust was always a very common problem. This M reg. (Aug.'73- July'74) Marina would have been less than six years old when I photographed it in April 1979.

 

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Vauxhalls used to dissolve as they left the dealers 

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3 hours ago, BernardTPM said:

Yes, rust was always a very common problem. This M reg. (Aug.'73- July'74) Marina would have been less than six years old when I photographed it in April 1979.

I was a panel beater during the 70's. All the British cars were as bad as each other, Ford's, Vauxhall's and all BL as well, all rusted within a few years.

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Remembering the Motorail Cartic double deckers at rugby in 1974, new Hillman Imps stabled in the up goods loop overnight. Still the locals managed to nick most of the cars' batteries despite being not too far from 25kv! 

 

And the tale of the Hillman Imps the used to run out of petrol after a sort while...it transpired the petrol tanks were collapsing as the breather pipes were blocked. It turned out the bloke at the factory who sprayed the area had a bad back and for some reason his paint blocked the breather pipes! another true story...

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