aureol40012 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 The yellow chocks seem to have a securing lug molded into them? Is it intended that we will drill holes in the platform of the wagon to secure these lugs? I wanted to run empty and full carflats and my (hopefully) clever idea is to glue the chocks to the car tyres. This will also ensure the chocks are ideally spaced so that there is no fire and aft movement of cars, even when heavy shunting is involved! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2017 The yellow chocks seem to have a securing lug molded into them? Is it intended that we will drill holes in the platform of the wagon to secure these lugs? I wanted to run empty and full carflats and my (hopefully) clever idea is to glue the chocks to the car tyres. This will also ensure the chocks are ideally spaced so that there is no fire and aft movement of cars, even when heavy shunting is involved! 'Not to be loose shunted' IIRC. There should be no heavy shunting involved! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Woodcock Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Hello When empty the chocks were tied to the rail on each side of the wagon about halfway along. Cheers George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiket4 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Does anyone know what was the earliest dates these were used? Regards Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Does anyone know what was the earliest dates these were used? Regards Mark 'An Illustrated History of BR Wagons' suggests late 1950s; prior to that, there were four-wheel Carflats and both bogie and 4-wheeled CCTs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 11, 2017 Does anyone know what was the earliest dates these were used? Regards Mark Longworth gives build dates. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Here is a link to a photo of a loaded Carflat with chocks in position:- https://www.flickr.com/photos/richard_davies_collection/6725074171/in/album-72157628416479577/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Midland Mole Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Am I right that some carflats were used for departmental use? And if so, were any painted in engineers yellow? Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 One of the Motorail blue ones is in stock. Good picture (and price!) on Hereford Models website: http://herefordmodels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9943 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 One of the Motorail blue ones is in stock. Good picture (and price!) on Hereford Models website: http://herefordmodels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9943 But, as I am frequently asked without knowing an answer, were any of the LMS framed ones in Motorail livery? Paul 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted September 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 16, 2017 One of the Motorail blue ones is in stock. Good picture (and price!) on Hereford Models website: http://herefordmodels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9943 Hmmmm, £24.50 at Redditch today. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 But, as I am frequently asked without knowing an answer, were any of the LMS framed ones in Motorail livery? Paul Some certainly had the Motorail boards, so I would assume are in rail blue.https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5537139557/in/pool-2259775@N23/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnfromoz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Image 125 in Paul B's collection also seems to suggest one in BR blue, albeit original image colours have naturally deteriorated. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) Image 125 in Paul B's collection also seems to suggest one in BR blue, albeit original image colours have naturally deteriorated. John Thats a good spot, I think you are correct. There are a couple of bare strips on the upright sides near the middle which would suggest a Motorail board may have been removed, and the end and side solebar does appear to have a hint of blue. However, the end has changed a lot in colour a couple or so years later. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmotorail/e2716f0a1 Paul An EDIT - I have had it pointed out that this is a 60ft frame, whereas unexpectedly to me, Oxford may have only modelled the 57ft frame. Edited September 20, 2017 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerrySVR Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Collected mine from Footplate in Kidderminster today very nice model Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 (edited) I got one of the latter BR double arrow versions today: Definately better than my bright orange Hornby one from the 80s. Missing the Ford Anglias' though... Edited September 21, 2017 by JSpencer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Thats a good spot, I think you are correct. There are a couple of bare strips on the upright sides near the middle which would suggest a Motorail board may have been removed, and the end and side solebar does appear to have a hint of blue. However, the end has changed a lot in colour a couple or so years later. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brmotorail/e2716f0a1 Paul An EDIT - I have had it pointed out that this is a 60ft frame, whereas unexpectedly to me, Oxford may have only modelled the 57ft frame. It seems to have been unexpected by some of the design staff at oxford as well.The frame is 57ft but has trusses to 60ft dimensions. I think all the announced numbers are for 60ft versions The underframe is also a welded one which due to the earlier conversion date of the 57ft versions, would be rare if they existed at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 very good price. where did Hornby get that idea from for their version in bright orange? was it ever in that colour? I remember the model well growing up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) It seems to have been unexpected by some of the design staff at oxford as well. The frame is 57ft but has trusses to 60ft dimensions. I think all the announced numbers are for 60ft versions The underframe is also a welded one which due to the earlier conversion date of the 57ft versions, would be rare if they existed at all. Looks like this explains why I can't squeeze 5 Hillman Imps aboard, when that was the standard payload for the Linwood - Ryton traffic. NB: I'm not modelling that traffic explicitly, but I have the wherewithal to do so, so it was fun trying it out! Edited September 22, 2017 by 'CHARD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 very good price. where did Hornby get that idea from for their version in bright orange? was it ever in that colour? I remember the model well growing up. Railease version was a very bright yellow. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/raileasecarflat Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 very good price. where did Hornby get that idea from for their version in bright orange? was it ever in that colour? I remember the model well growing up. They were probably trying to do a faded rust colour. As a kid, I used to run mine in the middle of an HST! Must try that with the Oxford version... now now, rule number 1!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted September 22, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 22, 2017 Some certainly had the Motorail boards, so I would assume are in rail blue. https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5537139557/in/pool-2259775@N23/ Thanks Mark for the link. Having seen the photo I stand corrected about them being freight only vehicles as I stated many post ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Some certainly had the Motorail boards, so I would assume are in rail blue. https://www.flickr.com/photos/davidwf2009/5537139557/in/pool-2259775@N23/ I think I've seen one (or a photo of one) in Freight Brown with 'Motorail' boards; I shall have a scout round. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arran Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 H All I spotted this in Perth yard in 1999 i think it was . regards Arran 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 H All I spotted this in Perth yard in 1999 i think it was . regards Arran Arran Have you got a positive identity for this? Thanks Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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