ejstubbs Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Interesting choice of background, using the Tay Bridge, since my initial reaction was "That's hardly the best choice to demonstrate the advantages of a box girder bridge!" At the risk of being torn to pieces by a pack of slavering civil engineers... The Tay Bridge was not a box girder bridge. This: however, was a box girder railway bridge. It pre-dated Bouch's Tay Bridge by nearly 30 years, and it worked just fine for 120 years until some scallys managed to set it on fire. (I remember hearing about the fire on the radio news, and being devastated that it had been destroyed by someone's reckless and criminal stupidity before I had had a chance to get to see it up close.) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Slightly Typically fewer than half seems to be a general rule of thumb but "active in the pastime" may be difficult to define. Are Armchair Railway Modellers active... Mmmmm... Then we have Armchair car enthusiasts, walkers(!), flyers, gardeners, this list is endless! Nice review, BTW, ejstubbs! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will J Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Whether people class this as a 'proper' model railway or not, one thing it does have is better/more realistic scenery than I've ever seen, anywhere (including Pendon); Real canals, swing bridges, locks, plus big mountains ! Pubs, though they were all 'ready to run'.../ RTP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Is making babies a hobby? I thought hobbies were supposed to be pleasurable. No, it is potentially making babies that is the pleasurable hobby. Accidentally hitting the target creates the whole new hobby of parenting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 I can't quite get my head around "it would have been better in three programmes than six" or whatever numbers you wish to choose. Once we've seen it all, surely only then, can that opinion be made? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Abel Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Nowadays the most popular hobby is winding people up online. Geoff Endacott Oh I think you're dead wrong there Geoff, that's complete cobblers... Hat, coat... vrrroooommmm.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 11, 2018 I remember hearing about the fire on the radio news, and being devastated that it had been destroyed by someone's reckless and criminal stupidity before I had had a chance to get to see it up close. I remember reading recently that the two lads who set fire to it, didn't actually intend arson, were they not using a naked flame to search for birds nests? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 I remember reading recently that the two lads who set fire to it, didn't actually intend arson, were they not using a naked flame to search for birds nests? Indeed that it true, not helped by the fact that the structure had been modified in such a way it was a miracle that it hadn't caught fire before... Fire report here:http://www.2d53.co.uk/britanniabridge/Fire%20Report.htm pictures here: http://www.2d53.co.uk/britanniabridge/Fire%20Report%20Pictures.htm more info in dealing with the incident here: http://www.2d53.co.uk/britanniabridge/menu.htm Don't forget that a small section of the original bridge does still exist on site. Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 At the risk of being torn to pieces by a pack of slavering civil engineers... The Tay Bridge was not a box girder bridge. This: however, was a box girder railway bridge. It pre-dated Bouch's Tay Bridge by nearly 30 years, and it worked just fine for 120 years until some scallys managed to set it on fire. (I remember hearing about the fire on the radio news, and being devastated that it had been destroyed by someone's reckless and criminal stupidity before I had had a chance to get to see it up close.) As I understand it, the Tay bridge was a badly designed and constructed truss girder concoction with the rails running on top of the trusses for most of the crossing and INSIDE the trusses (the "High Girders") where it passed over the navigation channel. It failed for so many reasons that its surprising it kept together until the storm that brought it down. What I found interesting was that no mention was made that he was Sir Thomas Bouch and was knighted for services to engineering (ie building the Tay bridge). I don't think he had his K stripped from him when it failed, as he would have nowadays, though the project to cross the Firth of Forth using a similar bridge was stopped and we have the marvellous (over) engineered Forth Bridge that exists today because of him and the Tay bridge disaster! At least William McGonnagall wasn't mentioned... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Indeed that it true, not helped by the fact that the structure had been modified in such a way it was a miracle that it hadn't caught fire before... Fire report here:http://www.2d53.co.uk/britanniabridge/Fire%20Report.htm pictures here: http://www.2d53.co.uk/britanniabridge/Fire%20Report%20Pictures.htm more info in dealing with the incident here: http://www.2d53.co.uk/britanniabridge/menu.htm Don't forget that a small section of the original bridge does still exist on site. Andy G The still existing Conwy Railway Bridge is a smaller scale version of the Britannia Bridge and may have been constructed as proof of concept. Wasn't the Britannia Bridge lined with wood? (not having followed your links!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 The Conwy bridge is identical, and was used to practice the floating out of the girders. The bridge wasn't lined with wood, but the join between girders and last pier had a wood board sleeve sheildy thing. This was covered in tarred hessian, and was sadly where the lit paper the boys used fell.... To think if it had been left to burn itself out, its possible the girders might still be in use, as a lot of the cast iron failed when it was cooled with water.... Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) What I found interesting was that no mention was made that he was Sir Thomas Bouch and was knighted for services to engineering (ie building the Tay bridge). I'm pretty sure that was mentioned. (But I've deleted the recording now, and I refuse to trawl back through it on 4OD to check!) Edited January 11, 2018 by ejstubbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 11, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 11, 2018 I can't quite get my head around "it would have been better in three programmes than six" or whatever numbers you wish to choose. Once we've seen it all, surely only then, can that opinion be made? Cheers, Mick Based on what was seen in the first programme, I felt that the producers were struggling and had over bloated it. Based on what I had seen in this first programme, and making an assumption (I know dangerous) I gave a figure for the total number of programmes that felt like it would have been reasonable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stock_2007 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Our club was e-mailed about this as I'm sure most clubs were. Thank God no one was keen on it, I only watched half an hour of it and I wanted to punch someone...maybe its just me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I'm pretty sure that was mentioned. (But I've deleted the recording now, and I refuse to trawl back through it on 4OD to check!) Yes, it was, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2018 At least William McGonnagall wasn't mentioned... There's another five programs to come yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 There's another five programs to come yet. Four more. For those interested, Claire Barratt and Lawrence Robbins will be on the BBC breakfast sofa tomorrow from 8:00am with the Silver Lady locomotive. Despite what the loco went through in Scotland, it apparently fired straight up yesterday without complaint as a testament to the fine engineering of the Roundhouse product. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) To think if it had been left to burn itself out, its possible the girders might still be in use, as a lot of the cast iron failed when it was cooled with water.... The tubes themselves though were constructed from wrought iron, not cast. Edited January 12, 2018 by Coppercap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Four more. For those interested, Claire Barratt and Lawrence Robbins will be on the BBC breakfast sofa tomorrow from 8:00am with the Silver Lady locomotive. Despite what the loco went through in Scotland, it apparently fired straight up yesterday without complaint as a testament to the fine engineering of the Roundhouse product. And to think that someone earlier in this thread dismissed it as a "Toy train"! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 And to think that someone earlier in this thread dismissed it as a "Toy train"! It's all relative. I have a real Volvo 850 as my 'toy' car to play with. Volvo may disagree with its description by me as a toy, but to me it is. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejstubbs Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) For those interested, Claire Barratt and Lawrence Robbins will be on the BBC breakfast sofa tomorrow from 8:00am with the Silver Lady locomotive. Is that "tomorrow" as in the morning after your post in the small hours of Friday, or really tomorrow ie Saturday? I ask because I'm watching it on my computer now and haven't seen anything yet, so I was wondering whether I had the wrong day! Edited January 12, 2018 by ejstubbs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 It's all relative. I have a real Volvo 850 as my 'toy' car to play with. Volvo may disagree with its description by me as a toy, but to me it is. Quite - my philosophy is that even the most detailed model locomotive is still a "toy" (though almost certainly not a child's plaything) - which is why, with more pressing issues in the world, I find it hard to justify purchasing RTR at current prices. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted January 12, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 12, 2018 The tubes themselves though were constructed from wrought iron, not cast. Indeed they were, but there were adjusting girders that were of cast iron, and then the joining plates (30foot long, 1inch think wrought iron) also failed due to this issue, and that's what caused the tubes to sag.... Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Is that "tomorrow" as in the morning after your post in the small hours of Friday, or really tomorrow ie Saturday? I ask because I'm watching it on my computer now and haven't seen anything yet, so I was wondering whether I had the wrong day! Right now. My internal body clock only rolls over to the next day when I sleep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Dicky Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Spoiler alert! Claire Barrett let the cat out of the bag in the Breakfast interview. Charlie Stayt demonstrated that put a train set in front of any bloke and out comes the big kid. Richard 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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