Southernman46 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Right - and I SERIOUSLY hope I am wrong POST DELETED (mostly) I was wrong - PB's & Rails photos are better .......... sorry - shouldn't have looked at Hattons photos after a completely carp day at work ............... Edited February 28, 2017 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Photographs of the new models; Notice the finish is quite different for each wagon. Item 1150 Esso 3274 in original silver livery as the first batch Item 1151 Esso 4021 in original grey livery http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/e32cd852b Enjoy Paul 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Hi, All 6 versions are now in stock with us. I have posted an image of each one for you to see them all https://railsofsheffield.com/manufacturer/JJP0-JJM4-JJS1-JJC4.aspx#skip_to_list 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) Hi, All 6 versions are now in stock with us. I have posted an image of each one for you to see them all https://railsofsheffield.com/manufacturer/JJP0-JJM4-JJS1-JJC4.aspx#skip_to_list Do the Chipmans have different lettering on either side. These are the prototype photos Black, 1984 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chipmanweedkiller/e7ee0627 And from July 1976 in Green 115 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chipmanweedkiller/e1c2310b4 117 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chipmanweedkiller/e1278fa22 120 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chipmanweedkiller/ef7ee923 The latter are important in my wagonning history as a shopping trip to Watford re-awakened my interest in wagons because they showed there were interesting things still to be seen. I haven't heard any suggestion that Bachmann will do the PMV and are any of the model coaches suitable for conversion? Paul Esso tanks, lots of photos of 43297 after esso plate removed http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/e3c5b99ec in Feb 1988 when part of an emergency stand by fleet of the CEGB and 44290 in Trafford park Esso refinery in 1980 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/e3dcc3945 Edited March 1, 2017 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Do the Chipmans have different lettering on either side. These are the prototype photos Black, 1984 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chipmanweedkiller/e7ee0627 And from July 1976 in Green 115 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chipmanweedkiller/e1c2310b4 117 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chipmanweedkiller/e1278fa22 120 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chipmanweedkiller/ef7ee923 The latter are important in my wagonning history as a shopping trip to Watford awakened my interest in wagons again because they showed there were interesting things to be seen. I haven't heard any suggestion that Bachmann will do the PMV and are any of the model coaches suitable for conversion? Paul Esso tanks, lots of photos of 43297 after esso plate removed http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/e3c5b99ec in Feb 1988 when part of an emergency stand by fleet of the CEGB and 44290 in Trafford park Esso refinery in 1980 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/e3dcc3945 Hi, I will take a look in the morning and let you know. I will add images of both sides on here for you. Thanks Oliver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2017 What period were the silver tanks in use, would they overlap with the black B tanks ?, did the silver tanks block work ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 What period were the silver tanks in use, would they overlap with the black B tanks ?, did the silver tanks block work ? They were both introduced at the same time. Class A for light fuel oils - petrol etc and B for heavy fuel oils - diesel etc. Both block worked. Their early work was the huge Fawley to Birmingham trains, but they got around. Geoff Williams photo http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/e2654395f is at Aylesbury quite early on. They were simply a standard design, the first vacuum braked tank wagons of any note to work on BR (milk tanks were passenger rated stock). The company that DIDN't have them is SMBP. They took another 5 years to decide that they would stay with rail transport and by then 40t GLW wagons were permitted. The history of tank wagon development is very complex from 1959 to 1969, Pete Fidczuk and I covered this in Model Railways although the magazine folded before we got to bogie tanks. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Rails Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Hi, Yes the lettering appears the same on both sides of the weedkiller wagons. I have taken pictures and will upload when the forum is fixed Thanks Oliver Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I see the models have roller bearings. Were they always so equipped? Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
217 RIVER FLESK Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I see the models have roller bearings. Were they always so equipped? Regards Looking through some of the excellent photos on Paul Bartlett's site, the answer would appear to be yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Hi, Yes the lettering appears the same on both sides of the weedkiller wagons. I have taken pictures and will upload when the forum is fixed Thanks Oliver I wonder if that is correct? Or if they should be like BP Shell class A tanks with the different owner on each side? I couldn't/didn't think to try and get the other side when I photographed them I think we were only at the station because I'd parked at the station to go shopping. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 So in a blocked train how many vehicles would be in it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 So in a blocked train how many vehicles would be in it? The Fawley-Bromford Bridge Esso Oil train was permitted to a maximum of 54 tank wagons when double-headed BRCW Type 3's (Class 33) were available. When a single loco was employed this was reduced down to approx. 35 wagons..............the maximum I think I ever counted anyway. The passing loops and general infastructure meant that this train always had to stay on the move between the two destinations although in the early days when routed down the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton line it was recessed at Didcot for a loco change, which I can remember as far back as August 1963 whilst on my way back from Bristol. I can also remember the accident at Didcot North Junction when an 8F ran into the returning Esso empties with much pyrotechnic effects! I think that this traffic had been overtaken by the direct Fawley pipeline by the very early seventies. There was also a shorter Esso block train which served the underground distribution depot at Islip and Northampton but this had ceased by 1969 being originally built to serve the Oxfordshire WW2 RAF airfields, of which USAF Upper Heyford took the lions share. The other block train I can remember seeing regularly was the return working (empties) of the Rugby-Coryton Mobil tanks which from recollection was made up of 20 A tanks and 12-16 B tanks. This was also usually double headed by Brush Type 2's (Class 31) but was restricted to a shorter train because of the shorter block sections around the North London Line and the inability to maintain sufficient headway along the WCML, hence the running at night. I can't remember this particular working much after 1967 and I know the route was converted to pipeline by the late 1960's. In all cases except that of Islip, where the wagons were collected on the return from Northampton, these were all out and back diagrams where the locos stayed with the train whilst unloading took place. Most of this information has been recorded from memory and my main regret is that I did not photograph enough of it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Interesting! I need a few more wagons then! I probably get up to 12 wagons I think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropTheTap Posted April 6, 2017 Share Posted April 6, 2017 Just received 1154 (weathered grey) and very pleased at first glance. I need to make the weathering look a little "glossier" and add some general dirt (factory weathering can always be improved upon, I think) but the tank itself certainly conveys the right impression. My main gripe is with the packaging. Not having purchased a Heljan product for many years, the box seems overly large. That's okay if product protection is paramount, but then they leave a display hole in the front of the box and all that's left to protect the the bulk of the wagon is a flimsy piece of plastic! Thankfully, Rail's judicious use of packing filler avoided any unfortunate incident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Looking through some of the excellent photos on Paul Bartlett's site, the answer would appear to be yesThank you for the answer. Following on, I wonder if the axleboxes where always painted yellow? In BR circles the yellow signified grease lubrication which wasn't re-introduced on BR until c1961, before this roller bearing where oil filled and the covers of oil filled roller bearings were always painted black. Regards Edited April 7, 2017 by PenrithBeacon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jprp Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 The more i do searches for the Weedkiller train the more confused i get, the Heljan models are a mix of dark green and one black, in actual photo`s they are a very washed out turquoise or ALL black . is the turquoise just faded green or a separate livery? What coaches should be with them?, again we have the washed out turquoise (dated 76) or dark green but those are with 45t tanks?? Help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 8, 2017 Author Share Posted April 8, 2017 The more i do searches for the Weedkiller train the more confused i get, the Heljan models are a mix of dark green and one black, in actual photo`s they are a very washed out turquoise or ALL black . is the turquoise just faded green or a separate livery? What coaches should be with them?, again we have the washed out turquoise (dated 76) or dark green but those are with 45t tanks?? Help. There are a number of previous RM threads discussing the weedkilling trains if you do a search on the thread index - this is a particularly useful one ....................... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/3148-weed-killing-trains-in-the-1980s-what-worked-where/page-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Do you think Heljan will make another batch of these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted December 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2018 Like these ? https://www.hattons.co.uk/203086/Heljan_1154_4_wheel_A_tank_44290_in_Esso_grey_with_1980s_Hazchem_symbols_weathered/StockDetail.aspx https://www.hattons.co.uk/203086/Heljan_1154_Pack_of_4_4_wheel_A_tank_44290_in_Esso_grey_with_1980s_Hazchem_symbols_weathere/StockDetail.aspx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted December 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2018 They've also just released a pack with a blue class 33 and 4 black tanks. And Oxford Rail announced that they were doing the same type of tank car, with two different types of suspension. Although that project has gone rather quiet and was due for delivery around about now, I understood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Like these ? https://www.hattons.co.uk/203086/Heljan_1154_4_wheel_A_tank_44290_in_Esso_grey_with_1980s_Hazchem_symbols_weathered/StockDetail.aspx https://www.hattons.co.uk/203086/Heljan_1154_Pack_of_4_4_wheel_A_tank_44290_in_Esso_grey_with_1980s_Hazchem_symbols_weathere/StockDetail.aspx 44290 prototype https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/essoatankwagonvb/e3dcc3945 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted December 26, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 26, 2018 They've also just released a pack with a blue class 33 and 4 black tanks. That would be class B tanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wummyock Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 When did they stop running as revenue stock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 16 hours ago, Wummyock said: When did they stop running as revenue stock? Which ones as there were several owners and commodities carried! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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