Show us your Pugbashes, Nellieboshes, Desmondifications, Jintysteins

[robert17649]

On 30/06/2019 at 09:26, RedGemAlchemist said:

Cue The Trumpet Hornpipe at full volume. 

The tune was I think "Barnacle Bill" good name for a pugbash

[Steamport Southport]

Before anyone suggests it.

 

No, the crew members didn't have rude names, it's just an urban myth.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Pugwash

 

Cut Throat Jake's ship has already been immortalised by a real locomotive.  66783 The Flying Dustman.

 

 

 

 

Jason

[phil_sutters]

On 29/06/2019 at 18:30, WaysideWorks said:

I think it’s just a common name for locomotives for locos in general, the GWR has an entire class named Bulldog, so yea.

The Somerset and Dorset also called its Johnson 5'3" 0-6-0s Bulldogs, although they were un-named goods locos. Here's one I made earlier! Fifty years earlier. Triang chassis still in evidence. New boiler (the original one had the underneath filled in). A new brass chimney, with a solder capuchon. Wire handrails. Ks tender and Peco couplings.

[rockershovel]

2 hours ago, robert17649 said:

The tune was I think "Barnacle Bill" good name for a pugbash

 

No, “Trumpet Hornpipe” was the theme for Captain Pugwash. “Barnacle Bill” was the theme for Blue Peter for many years, although it has no connection to the drinking song “Barnacle Bill the sailor” 

 

the CLOSING theme for Blue Peter was “Drum and fife”.

 

since 2008, “Barnacle Bill” was replaced with “Sailors Hornpipe” and in the past few years, a medley incorporating elements of both. 

 

 

Edited July 2, 2019 by rockershovel

[RedGemAlchemist]

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

Cut Throat Jake's ship has already been immortalised by a real locomotive.  66783 The Flying Dustman.

Hmm. Genuinely didn't know that. That's actually pretty cool. 

[robert17649]

11 hours ago, rockershovel said:

 

No, “Trumpet Hornpipe” was the theme for Captain Pugwash. “Barnacle Bill” was the theme for Blue Peter for many years, although it has no connection to the drinking song “Barnacle Bill the sailor” 

 

the CLOSING theme for Blue Peter was “Drum and fife”.

 

since 2008, “Barnacle Bill” was replaced with “Sailors Hornpipe” and in the past few years, a medley incorporating elements of both. 

 

 

thanks didn't know that, there was a guy doing the folk circuit years ago who played it on a banjo,saying it was called "Barnacle Bill", he would "Segway" into "Portsmouth Point" in the same set. I wish I could remeber hs name and put him right now you have told me.

[A Murphy]

GC drivers called their long lived Sacre (his should have a grave accent on it) class 6C, outside framed 0-6-0s Bulldogs too....... allegedly. They became LNER class J12 and lasted until 1929/30.

 

Alastair M

Edited July 3, 2019 by A Murphy
edited for rubbish grammar

[RJS1977]

17 hours ago, robert17649 said:

The tune was I think "Barnacle Bill" good name for a pugbash

 

No, "Barnacle Bill" is the Blue Peter theme tune.

[RJS1977]

16 hours ago, Steamport Southport said:

Before anyone suggests it.

 

No, the crew members didn't have rude names, it's just an urban myth.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Pugwash

 

Cut Throat Jake's ship has already been immortalised by a real locomotive.  66783 The Flying Dustman.

 

 

 

 

Jason

 

There used to be a narrow boat called "The Black Pig" moored on the Kennet in Reading about 20 years ago.

[rockershovel]

5 hours ago, robert17649 said:

thanks didn't know that, there was a guy doing the folk circuit years ago who played it on a banjo,saying it was called "Barnacle Bill", he would "Segway" into "Portsmouth Point" in the same set. I wish I could remeber hs name and put him right now you have told me.

 

... banjo players famously never quite play the same thing twice, unlike fiddlers.. it’s because few banjo players can read music, whereas most fiddlers have varying degrees of formal tuition and can “read the dots”. Trumpet Hornpipe has at least two different endings, depending upon the opinion of the player leading the set... most “session” players will interpolate phrases from other tunes in the same timing, if only to see if you’re paying attention! 

 

[HonestTom]

2 hours ago, RJS1977 said:

 

There used to be a narrow boat called "The Black Pig" moored on the Kennet in Reading about 20 years ago.

 

I don't know if it's the same one, but I saw one by that name on the Regent's Canal a couple of months back. There was another called the Flying Kipper.

Edited July 3, 2019 by HonestTom

[Caley 439]

Here's my pugbash, currently a work in progress.  Conversion to a North British Railway G class, to be painted as per No 42 at Bo'ness

[PatB]

Not really a bash question as such, but it seems appropriate for this thread. Has anyone successfully converted a Hornby Caley Pug or related chassis to EM by the poor man's method of levering the wheels out by 2mm or so?

 

I ask because I'm contemplating an ultra cheapskate wagon scratchbuild and a) it seems appropriate to go the extra mile to a closer to scale gauge, and b) the Pug is probably the cheapest and easiest route to a sort of appropriate loco to shove a couple of dumb buffered NBR wagons around.

 

If I do this, it'll be a very old-school project, using basic raw materials to make everything except wheels, which I intend to cannibalise from dead 00 stock, hence the interest in EM where such bodgery can be got away with. 

[ScRSG]

Here's a couple I did some time ago, not much left of the original, new chassis (Jidenco, IIRC)

 

[Martin S-C]

Can you tell us more about the tender? I have a couple of these to do to add behind Dapol pugs for power pick up purposes and to hide sound decoders in and am ruminating on what might be the best chassis or kit to rudely assault.

[Gibbo675]

25 minutes ago, Martin S-C said:

Can you tell us more about the tender? I have a couple of these to do to add behind Dapol pugs for power pick up purposes and to hide sound decoders in and am ruminating on what might be the best chassis or kit to rudely assault.

Hi Martin,

 

Is this any use ?

 

 

Gibbo.

[ScRSG]

25 minutes ago, Martin S-C said:

Can you tell us more about the tender? I have a couple of these to do to add behind Dapol pugs for power pick up purposes and to hide sound decoders in and am ruminating on what might be the best chassis or kit to rudely assault.

 

From memory, these "tenders" are no more than rather old and battered Hornby wagons, which is quite like the prototype, in that they used elderly three or five plank wagons to mock up tenders to give these pugs longer range. Only suggestion I can make is that you try to find some old Triang/Hornby short wheelbase wagons and modify to suit, sorry!

[DCB]

If you want a quick easy bodge the early Triang wagon chassis are ideal for this, they are short wheelbase, 9 ft approx with vestigial brake gear.

They have two Mazak chassis sides sandwiching a coupling block, and the assembly is pinned together. The Top also fits on four pegs which reinforces the structure if the coupling block and pin are replaced with plastic pins and blocks.

Fitted with pinpoint bearings and split axle wheels with plastic rod and plastic spacers in place of the steel pins and mazak coupling then you have a virtually frictionless chassis with 4 wheel pick up. I made one some years ago as a DC auto uncoupling GWR shunters truck. Most Triang Hornby wagon bodies fit these chassis,  The originals have mostly warped horribly but the later ones seem OK.

Mainline and Bachmann made suitable split axle wheelsets.

Otherwise white metal axleguards with pin point bearings and split axles on a hand bodged wagon is the hard way but avoidng wiper contacts is well worth the effort.

Not sure these wagons ran with the Dapol / Airfix L&Y Pugs but Caley and NB pugs "Smoky Joe type Pugs definitely did.

In later years the L&Y Pugs had to be escorted to their siding workplaces by larger heavier locos in track circuited areas as they didn't reliably trip the track circuits.

Edited July 10, 2019 by DavidCBroad

[BernardTPM]

One interesting point about the older Tri-ang wagon chassis, developed from the old Pyramid Toys wagons, is that the buffers are at the correct height, unlike the later plastic version introduced in the 1960s. The latter may have had finer detail, but that basic measurement was less accurate.

[Martin S-C]

3 hours ago, DavidCBroad said:

If you want a quick easy bodge the early Triang wagon chassis are ideal for this, they are short wheelbase, 9 ft approx with vestigial brake gear.

 

Which era of Tri-Ang are we talking? I am not sure since they went through a few changes.

My intention was to use a modern 9ft wheelbase Dapol wagon because the unpainted ones are dirt cheap, then replace the wheels and hack the body about. A Bachmann GW shunters truck chassis also appeals due to the short wheel base.

[Martin S-C]

4 hours ago, Gibbo675 said:

Hi Martin,

 

Is this any use ?

 

 

Gibbo.

It is. A lot. Thanks!

[Gibbo675]

9 hours ago, Martin S-C said:

It is. A lot. Thanks!

Hi Martin,

 

A note upon the drawing is that there is a bulkhead at the front that is three planks high and has 18"-24" gap for shovelling coal through. The rear step down has a bulk head down to the floor to form an open box for tools such as brake sticks and shunting poles.

 

Gibbo.

[Martin S-C]

Thanks. I think the general arrangement of these vehicles was broadly similar wherever they were used. The one below has dumb buffers front and rear and seems to have an open front for access to the coal. The arrangement of running board and short wheelbase makes me think more and more that a Hornby or Bachmann GW shunters truck could be a good source - of the chassis at least.

 

[relaxinghobby]

 

Two for the price of one pug, it always seems that the old Airfix kit 2-6-2 prairie had interesting tanks the front edges are rounded just like the old Beyer Peacock ones so there is the start of a new conversion model.

After separating the chassis from the body it leaves quit a short 0-6-0 section perhaps a small pre-grouping loco even then after some measuring and plonking this boiler on top which was meant to have been a wagon load model, inspired an even older style 0-4-2 loco emerged.

Currently, it has the colonial-style cab for an Australian engine I mocked up with cardboard. The footplate is the Airfix one, cut down once and cut done again until it looks right. This model engine was looking too small but when compared with a drawing of a Great Northern mainline 0-4-2 they were very petite engines.

 

[Poor Old Bruce]

On 10/07/2019 at 19:21, DavidCBroad said:

If you want a quick easy bodge the early Triang wagon chassis are ideal for this, they are short wheelbase, 9 ft approx with vestigial brake gear.

They have two Mazak chassis sides sandwiching a coupling block, and the assembly is pinned together. The Top also fits on four pegs which reinforces the structure if the coupling block and pin are replaced with plastic pins and blocks.

Fitted with pinpoint bearings and split axle wheels with plastic rod and plastic spacers in place of the steel pins and mazak coupling then you have a virtually frictionless chassis with 4 wheel pick up. I made one some years ago as a DC auto uncoupling GWR shunters truck. Most Triang Hornby wagon bodies fit these chassis,  The originals have mostly warped horribly but the later ones seem OK.

Mainline and Bachmann made suitable split axle wheelsets.

Otherwise white metal axleguards with pin point bearings and split axles on a hand bodged wagon is the hard way but avoidng wiper contacts is well worth the effort.

Not sure these wagons ran with the Dapol / Airfix L&Y Pugs but Caley and NB pugs "Smoky Joe type Pugs definitely did.

In later years the L&Y Pugs had to be escorted to their siding workplaces by larger heavier locos in track circuited areas as they didn't reliably trip the track circuits.

 

Just to point out that the "split axle" wheelsets, as produced by some RTR manufacturers won't work with a metal chassis or etched W-irons. They create a short circuit!