Show us your Pugbashes, Nellieboshes, Desmondifications, Jintysteins

[TurboSnail]

Essentially, the plan is to replace the motor with a smaller one, and add some gears to reduce the speed by 3x, but keep the original worm and wheel so the wheelsets don't have to be removed. And have space to add a flywheel if desired. I don't want to take up too much space on here with plans, so I'll check back in when I've got a working prototype to show!

[LNWR18901910]

On 09/02/2020 at 17:32, Edwardian said:

There is still much to do, both below and above the valance.  Progress has been slowed by lack of modelling time.  I also went back a stage, deciding to remove the blanking skirts and model the underside of the boiler. 

 

Impressive tank loco! It looks like a Pre-Grouping design with a hint of freelance in children's books.

[Edwardian]

18 minutes ago, LNWR18901910 said:

Impressive tank loco! It looks like a Pre-Grouping design with a hint of freelance in children's books.

 

Thanks. That in many ways was the idea.  The intention was not to try to make Nellie look like a real loco; that might not be possible, and an attempt would certainly require further surgery.  I suspect that a slimmer boiler and shorter smoke box might be necessary to adjust her proportions to something more prototypical.

 

Rather, the intention was to retain as much of the Nellie character as possible, but 'play it straight', making a model as if this slightly improbably proportioned toy had existed as a real locomotive. 

 

That's why I've gone for an outlandish blue over something more dour and realistic. You're supposed to remember that it's only a Nellie and a bit of fun! It's sort of daring you to believe it could be real.

 

 

[Nile]

Yesterday while rummaging through boxes looking for things I found something interesting, an old Hornby Percy. Many years ago I'd started detailing it, but never finished it was put away. This included removing the motor, presumably I was going to replace it with something better. Anyway it occurred to me that Hornby's version of Percy is quite big for an 0-4-0, I wondered what it would look like as an 0-6-0.

Some time later I had it sitting on a Jouef/Electrotren chassis. I think a Terrier chassis would also fit.

[Compound2632]

How wide is it?

[Nile]

36mm across the buffer beam. The steps stick out another mm each side.

[Compound2632]

Wide, like the Bachmann one. Why, I wonder?

[Din]

22 hours ago, Nile said:

Yesterday while rummaging through boxes looking for things I found something interesting, an old Hornby Percy. Many years ago I'd started detailing it, but never finished it was put away. This included removing the motor, presumably I was going to replace it with something better. Anyway it occurred to me that Hornby's version of Percy is quite big for an 0-4-0, I wondered what it would look like as an 0-6-0.

Some time later I had it sitting on a Jouef/Electrotren chassis. I think a Terrier chassis would also fit.

 

 

 

Stop it! Or I'll make of of them next!

[RedGemAlchemist]

22 hours ago, Nile said:

Yesterday while rummaging through boxes looking for things I found something interesting, an old Hornby Percy. Many years ago I'd started detailing it, but never finished it was put away. This included removing the motor, presumably I was going to replace it with something better. Anyway it occurred to me that Hornby's version of Percy is quite big for an 0-4-0, I wondered what it would look like as an 0-6-0.

Some time later I had it sitting on a Jouef/Electrotren chassis. I think a Terrier chassis would also fit.

Hmm. I don't know, Nile. It's a great concept but I don't know, the wheels seem a bit too small proportionally to me. Might just be me though. 

[Sophia NSE]

To quote Helmet & House of Pain; "Just another victim!"

The plan now is part bodge, part scratchbuild and seeing as I've never scratchbuilt before, what could possibly go wrong?!?

Nellie's got quite some heft to her compared to my original bodge...

[Joseph the L&YR lover]

3 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

Wide, like the Bachmann one. Why, I wonder?

dalby/tv series percy was very tall and wide compared to the later, more industrial percy.

[Nile]

3 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

Wide, like the Bachmann one. Why, I wonder?

Probably dictated by the chassis design, their Bill and Ben are also rather wide. The spring clip holding the motor in sticks out a long way, hence the holes in the body sides.

This Percy makes for quite a heavyweight industrial loco, think Maerdy Monster.

[TonyMay]

Are there any prototypes with saddle tanks styled as Percy's is?

[Compound2632]

32 minutes ago, TonyMay said:

Are there any prototypes with saddle tanks styled as Percy's is?

 

I think not. Reginald Dalby saddled Percy with that unfeasible wrap-around saddle tank.

[Sophia NSE]

On 16/02/2020 at 14:14, Nile said:

Yesterday while rummaging through boxes looking for things I found something interesting, an old Hornby Percy. Many years ago I'd started detailing it, but never finished it was put away. This included removing the motor, presumably I was going to replace it with something better. Anyway it occurred to me that Hornby's version of Percy is quite big for an 0-4-0, I wondered what it would look like as an 0-6-0.

Some time later I had it sitting on a Jouef/Electrotren chassis. I think a Terrier chassis would also fit.

Maybe open the cab sides out a bit too?

[Northmoor]

17 minutes ago, Sophia NSE said:

Maybe open the cab sides out a bit too?

That Electrotren chassis is a gift to so many of us.

I think, like Lima's Plymouth diesel, that the cab is too big and it distorts the whole proportions.  Maybe take a 3-5mm section out of the cab? I did this to a Plymouth and it helps a lot:

I'm sure you can hide the joins better than I did.

[Sophia NSE]

I wanted to say the Percy cab looked overly spacious, but second guessed myself

[RedGemAlchemist]

1 hour ago, AVS1998 said:

I think if the entire superstructure were cut down in height by 2mm at the footplate, it would look less clumsy? Bringing the wheels into a better proportion. The boiler and cab just look a shade too high.

Hmm. Yeah, that might do it Alex.

[Corbs]

If you shorten the cab and bunker, and attempt to fix the impossible saddle tank, it could look something like this?

[Nile]

I think you are reminding me why I buried this thing in a box all those years ago.

[RedGemAlchemist]

27 minutes ago, Nile said:

I think you are reminding me why I buried this thing in a box all those years ago.

Well I'd take it off your hands. I've wanted an 0-6-0ST for a while. 

[FoxUnpopuli]

If the buffers are too high, definitely worth dropping a little - will bring the footplate closer to the cylinders too. 

 

I think the photoshop looks pretty neat.  I do agree the wheels look a little small, but for a cheap quick 'bash' I think it's fine as is - a tough little wagon shunter.  Spending the money and increasing the wheel size might let it huff some coaches around. 

[Sophia NSE]

Well, after attacking some plasticard I have this.

The pony truck is just there for show, the directors saloon will probably end up on a bogie. As basic as the 4 wheeled coach is I thought it was still too nice to chop up

[Corbs]

Hi Sophia, very interesting concept of an inspection saloon.

May I make a suggestion? I think that it might struggle to navigate curves at that length, as the driving wheels are solid mounted to the loco with no articulation, so the other end will swing out quite a lot. It may work to shorten it a bit, some of the real life ones were quite dinky.

 

https://www.ssplprints.com/image/407468/london-and-south-western-railway-l-swr-class-f9-4-2-4t-inspection-saloon-no-733-september-1904

 

Is it an optical illusion or is the left side of the coach as seen in your photo taller than the right side, or is it the angle it is relative to the camera?

Edited February 18, 2020 by Corbs

[HonestTom]

On 16/02/2020 at 14:14, Nile said:

Yesterday while rummaging through boxes looking for things I found something interesting, an old Hornby Percy. Many years ago I'd started detailing it, but never finished it was put away. This included removing the motor, presumably I was going to replace it with something better. Anyway it occurred to me that Hornby's version of Percy is quite big for an 0-4-0, I wondered what it would look like as an 0-6-0.

Some time later I had it sitting on a Jouef/Electrotren chassis. I think a Terrier chassis would also fit.

I think the prototype might make more sense as an 0-6-0. The wrap-around saddle tank could be a way of increasing the engine’s weight for adhesion.

19 hours ago, Nile said:

Probably dictated by the chassis design, their Bill and Ben are also rather wide. The spring clip holding the motor in sticks out a long way, hence the holes in the body sides.

This Percy makes for quite a heavyweight industrial loco, think Maerdy Monster.

I’ve seen at least one instance of someone regauging Bill/Ben and running it as an O gauge industrial.